Could be a little bit faster like in this video
Could be a little bit faster like in this video
When are we getting the T90M2?
Can we get a NATO teams steam rolling Russian teams thread / meme now? Apparently it’s pretty bad right now.
Would love to see a T-80UM3
Someday.
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Nerf bmpt trophy-hv
Pantsir slamraam sv is too strong, nato bias is clear as day
American bias
What sources does gaijin use to let abrams reload in 5 seconds
probably when proof of one being fully built is published, ideally with pictures.
So I’ve not played the VT4A1 and I can see why people have argued it’s just as bad as the T-90M, but aside from the VT4A1 it’s the worst 12.7 in the game.
T-90M in a nutshell:
- 1/10 firepower.
- 1/10 mobility.
- 5/10 gun handling.
- 9/10 armour.
- 5/10 survivability.
I’ve also noticed you don’t even play the T-90M, so I’m not sure why you’re arguing these points?
- Ariete PSO and Ariete WAR are 11.7, not 12.7.
- Ariete AMV is 12.3, not 12.7, and has significantly better mobility and firepower than a T-90M.
- Challenger 2, 2 (2F), 2 TES and 2 OES are 11.7, not 12.7.
- Challenger 3 TD is 12.0, not 12.7.
- Challenger 2E has significantly better mobility and firepower than a T-90M.
- Black Night has an APS that can actually intercept APFSDS at average combat ranges, and still has better all around mobility and a quicker reload.
You’d have a point if the T-90M were 12.0, but it isn’t 12.0.
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Reload is in a weird situation. On one hand Gaijin has admitted to use reload as a balancing tool, yet at the same time they seem to want to back up controversial reload changes with a lot of sources.
They should just pick one and go with that.
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The also selectively deploy said reasoning to reach a foregone conclusion, can’t for get that the M1128 gets a 8 RPM loader even though sources exist for a 10 RPM configuration (even though the TCS with a similar system achieves 12RPM ) Especially now that the T-series get cyclic rammer rates, instead of needing to account for the layout of the cassette.
This all started with the increased rate of the Abrams, which was a mistake. They should have fixed the armor and assorted issues instead.
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Don’t worry it’ll be the worst once decompression happens and the OP beast that is the VT4A1 gets moved to 13.3
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Well done for missing the point.
If you are seriously arguing that the Challenger 2 and Ariete are better than the T-90M (despite their well-known issues, weaknesses and drawbacks) DESPITE being a lower BR and subject to the stomping in uptiers then I really don’t know what to say to you. Maybe ask yourself why your performance in the T-90M is below the server average?
I don’t have the T-90M yet - so apparently you think I can’t offer an opinion? Interesting… but flawed logic. I’ve spent plenty of matches against them and had lots of fun with their magical ERA sucking up shots that would’ve sent a NATO tank back to the hangar…
I don’t own a Ferrari. I can however tell you it’s a fast car with some degree of confidence and be totally correct.
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If your argument is essentially: ‘‘The T-90M isn’t bad as long as you only compare it against lower BR’d vehicles’’ then I think you’ve already conceded.
And speaking of lower BR’d vehicles: I’d take a regular old M1A1 over the T-90M any day, and that’s a 11.7(!) vehicle that’s superior to the 12.7 T-90M.
I did not say you cannot voice an opinion, obviously I don’t (nor should I) have that power.
What I’m saying is that I don’t take these opinions seriously, because it never comes from a place of actual knowledge or experience.
The typical ‘‘Grass is always greener on the other side’’ -type of argument.
I’ve seen these hundreds of times over the years. This exact thing people do is responsible for 90% of the nonsense you see people spout across the forums and Reddit.
Oh no you don’t. Get off the old reverso-cycle.
You trotted out the lines that
‘Challenger has better firepower and mobility than T-90M’.
‘Ariete AMV is better’.
Both claims which the majority of players would state are complete and total hogwash. Otherwise you’ll have to point me to the forum complaints about British and Italian MBTs…
I suppose next you’re going to argue that the Panstir SV is actually an AWFUL SPAA because you get better results in a lower tiered SPAA from another tree? Is that how your logic works? To turn your own quote back at you:
“I’ve seen these hundreds of times over the years. This exact thing people do is responsible for 90% of the nonsense you see people spout across the forums and Reddit.”
Usually from people arguing that the BMPT was perfectly fine and didn’t need to go up in BR… or that the KH-38MT is totally balanced.
A lot of people simply overrate the T-90M because they struggle against it’s single strength.
When grinding my Centauro II I played my premium Ariete in a lineup with my 2A7HU. I had more fun and performed better in the 11.7 Ariete at 12.7 than I had and did with the T-90M.
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Lemme correct you on that, I said that the Ariete AMV has superior firepower and mobility compared to a T-90M:
And that’s simply an objective fact.
You’d probably know these things if you actually played the T-90M.
This is exactly why I never take the opinions of those that don’t play vehicles which they’re talking about seriously.
You’ve just proven my point.
You conveniently leave out the part where I clearly stated ‘‘Challenger 2E’’
And that does indeed have superior firepower and mobility.
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Nice deflection.
Enjoy your ‘totally unplayable Russian MBTs…’
Truly, it must be a great strain playing vehicles with excellent armour and survivability - backed up by the most broken CAS lineup and AA options in the game.
Lmao
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There’s no need to try and come up with a silly, snarky line whilst simultaneously refusing to address any of the arguments laid against you.
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First you said: ‘‘Again with the TERRIBLE T-90M myth.’’
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To which I gave you an explanation as to why it’s considered the worst 12.7 in the game, and broke down it’s awful overall performance statistics.
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You then move the goalpost to: ‘‘Oh but the T-90M is better than these couple of lower BR’d tanks’’.
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To which I point out it better be considering the BR differences. And even then, those lower BR’d tanks still have significant advantages over the T-90M in the form of mobility and firepower, and even a 11.7 M1A1 Abrams is indeed still better than a T-90M, which highlights just how overtiered the T-90M is.
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You then lie about what I said (I never claimed the Ariete’s are superior overall, I simply stated their firepower and mobility are superior). You then also lie via omission with the ‘‘Challenger 2E’’ quote.
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Then you concede every point and close out with a pretty laughable: ‘‘Enjoy your unplayable Russian MBT’s’’.
This is simply childish behavior.
It’s fine to admit you might’ve been mistaken on a subject, there’s no need to give me the reply equivalent of this meme:
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It’s more survivable than it has any right to once you consider the lack of turret basket, the now-buffed Relikt, etc.
As opposed to the other non-Leopard/Abrams MBTs at the same tier…