Is there a bug report for it?
I don’t remember seeing this for the early 2000s Arena. Arena that the US almost bought for their Abrams by the way, funny anecdote.
The more modern Arena-M, I’ll have to see it to believe it. Russia is King at showing/talking intention of what they want to do, but then failing to achieve these intentions when the production model is finalized for mass production.
Yes, denied as “In game model would clip”
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/GsLP84YSrvjU
Oops, i forgot to add the -M, on me
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/xSwtZ1a01NkM
Yeah, I remember some upper echelons guy from ROSTEC saying Arena-M could intercept top down ammunition in 2021. Though this was years before the final design was first installed operationally on tanks(~2025), it was before the war and Russia has proven to downgrade some of their weapon program lately, such as the T-14 being cancelled in favor of T-90M production until 2036.
Arena-M final design might have lost the full upper detection zone to lessen the cost burden of equipping the tank force in an already strained budget situation.
Yes i was thinking of a different missile that got “SAPHE → HE depending on speed” in the datamines
*To be fair however, its not like 20 kilograms of TNT slamming into the top of your tank is any less incapable of overpressuring your tank
Again, this means nothing. It has terrain following which still lets it see everything and the strike angle is still sharp.
It is effectively unchanged in capability.
because they have nothing comparable?
Are we like deadass right now? Which other helicopter missile has the same strikedown angle as the LMUR?
Like other helicopters that are using FnF weapons were having problems of extremely shallow strikedown angles for years, and then oh would you look at that, magically gaijin is infact capable of modeling steep strikedown angle when it comes to LMURs but cant fix PARS3LRs and similar missiles (hell even ground launched spikes for that matter) from hitting at wrong flat angle.
And Kh38s? Are you serious? Why should the fastest ATGM in the entire game in high numbers with a massive payload get nerfed when the other nations use post-3km subsonic mavericks and hammers? Hmmm i do wonder.
yes well something you clearly are not getting is that this is a game and not reality. Yes, in real life missiles and weapons are by design meant to be unfair. But guess what, this being a game gives the game developers the amazing tool of “maybe we should simply just not add it” for the sake of balance or at the very least striving towards something resembling balance.
Vast majority of all top tier vehicles, and im talking like 90+% doesnt have your “destroyer of ATGMs” trophy APS. Hell half of nations dont even have hardkill APS at top tier period.
Theres currently 5 nations with APS vehicles in their top tier vehicles.
China with VT4A1
GB with BN
USA with the new Trophy SepV2
Merkava Mk4M with trophy plus the Namer and Eitan tho those are light tanks.
and Russia with T72B3A and T90M
So give or take 6-8 vehicles.
this is hardly making it out as if every single vehicle had APS and you had to spam all your missiles to overwhelm it (btw trophy has 1.5s cooldown before being able to intercept another missile. Arena, the chinese GL6 and Ironfist all have 0.3s readiness)
? What?
This is my first time hearing of this
The lofting got reduced when they changed it from loft to terrain following on dev. They changed the loft to terrain following and added MITL and then took away the MITL.
Here (this is live btw, not dev):
No they can intercept them, both trophy and arena have 70-1000m/s interception speed.
They cant intercept darts unlike Ironfist that has 70-1700m/s but they can intercept HE/HEAT shells and ATGMs. Interestingly ive not seen them be able to intercept SDBs and IR glidebombs but that is besides the point.
Slightly different thing from the lofting discussion, the June 2026 stats are available now, so much for Russia dominating.
Two issues, first that the old code, not with the terrain following, and second you can use the protractor directly as the x and y doesnt have the same scale here the lmur is impacting at around 26º (arctan((159-108)/(5879-5983))), not 65º which you would get with the protractor
wait, the spike is impacting from a steeper angle than LMUR?
The ER after the update they do, both also recieved altitude hold
How do you know that? This is the code as of live, is it not?
You’re right, I did this quick without thinking. Mea culpa. This should require some testing because I’m certain they have more than 35° of dive angle since I was killed by LMUR quite a few times in the Trophy Abrams. @kedrigern video even illustrates quite well how steep the final dive is.
Yes. BVVD talked about it in RU dev stream. About how they finally fixed Spike this patch. Damages are still absolutely unreliable but they have the proper angle of attack now.
what are the chances that’s my screenshot that you copied from discord
nah i took my own i was in disbelief
valid lmfao
i knew there would be an impact, but US having outright best WR in top tier alongside the #1 and #2 highest KPS tanks rn was NOT what i was expecting
Thats an screenshot from the dev server, it uses the old loft profile not the current one, and my screeshot you can check that it is on the current live server form the top right of the screen shot.
it can be more than the 26 that i measured from the graph, as it only really let you to calculate the average angle betwen the last to points
