I dont specifically remember the time the first 3 there got released got released so i cant exactly comment on that, but i remember the 5 second reload on NATO tanks, i also remember Merkava for example having the longest reload of all MBTs and the reload getting more to buff others as a result of the 2A7s.
I remember when 2A7V got added and dominated yea, i also remember when 2A7 along with every single other leopard has gotten basket which was quite literally a nerf for them.
I remember when SLM got added, and then when it got completely balled over the very next update with LDIRCMs (and its not like on release SLM was hard to defeat as you were able to break DL with literally firing off an FFAR or Zuni lmao)
I remember type 90s being the best 11.0 MBT getting constant downtiers and i can see it now at 11.7 seeing constant uptiers to 12.7.
M1A1 has been pretty much always undertiered and is still extremely good tank at 11.7.
But you wanna know what i dont remember?
Pantsir getting nerfed.
LDIRCMs getting nerfed.
LMURs getting nerfed. (The “SAPHE depending on speed” is not a nerf, its still the exact same as before and next update its getting buffed with MITL effective LOAL!)
Kh38s getting nerfed.
Su34 or 30s extremely controversial ground ordinance getting nerfed be it in number or availability with the sole exception of Grom-1s as gaijin didnt like you were able to fire them off from airfield for free RP.
BMPTs ammo belts actually reliably exploding on hit.
I dont disagree with you that there were definitely some stupid strong or busted things added for other nation, sure. However i would argue that they were more outliers than constant “one upping” of the previous things.
Same way i agree with you that germany has some broken things like Turm III that was at comically low BR, or on release Puma which is being just milled over to eternity, i at the same time say that russia getting Su34, 30SM, 30SM2, 28NM with LDIRCM and then LMURs, S1 for years and now literally SM SV which is THE most broken SPAA in the entire game was genuinely either incompetent decision making or straight up bias. Which one? who knows, but its certainly not good in either case.
Both things can be true at the same time.
Both statements of “other nations had broken vehicles” and “russia is getting an unfair advantage continuously over the last few updates” can be true at the same time.
SLM was an overcorrection, and then LDIRCM was. Though they were definitely intentional overcorrections.
Was 9.7 on dev with ~540mm pen JM33. Released at 10.0 iirc and you can guess what happened.
Environment changed. S1 is still very good but there is better options. Its great for munition interception which is pretty meta.
I will never justify LDIRCM. Such a dumb addition no matter what nation got it.
They quite literally did get nerfed tho. MITL isnt here yet but the biggest change was the amount of lofting, which was the main annoyance of LMUR, as it could bypass Trophy and sometimes smoke. There was also other small nerfs.
I think KH-38s would be fine in current meta if only the 34 had them tbh. Kinda a stinky platform. KH-38 was definitely overkill.
Missiles kill now with more than 50% chance so its w/e for me.
Russia is simply the most played these past months. So they are getting more stuff. Now its the US’s time to shine.
the loft change is quite literally unsubstantial in most cases bar city maps. In city maps yea they are worse sure. In every other case? still the same. The terrain following chucks them at half a kilometer altitude. That is more than enough to keep a constant LOS on anything youre firing at and its also not even a hard terrain limit as the change in altitude isnt super sharp.
The main “annoyance” lol wasnt loft, it was the strikedown angle, which is still the same. Because it still hits at a very sharp angle towards the rooftop and overpressures.
A 10x better option than what we currently have, however not done by gaijin and so moot at this point. Yes i too would be happier if the broken busted missile was limited to strike flanker while Su30s used the still more than good Kh29s but unfortunately for both of us, thats not how things are.
Ok but heres the funny argument for you, is Russia played the most these past few months because people want to play it or is it the most played because it has the most handheld CAS and SPAA in the entire game.
Their tanks might not be the most meta but they are still good (atleast in my opinion) but you cannot deny that russia has just dominated “these past months” the GRB via controlling the air via CAS and SPAAs.
The only time russia was getting giga blown over was when SLM initially got added because wow, finally an SPAA that can kill players that cant play CAS but can press space 12 times for 6 kill streak.
Trophy upper detection zone is only 35°, not even 45°, let alone aggressive angles such as 65°+. The only scenario in which a LMUR doesn’t loft enough to bypass Trophy is if it’s fired below 2km of range. Other than that, that’s because the tank is pointing upward like in a slope and thus manually increases the detection angle of Trophy.
This could always happen. These FnF missiles hit a random spot on the tank. You can roll a lucky dice and get hit in the turret cheek.
I mean, it’s kind of funny that both Hellfire and JAGM don’t loft enough to bypass APS but LMUR has insane loft to easily bypass APS. Just a happy little accident. Here another picture while I’m at it. Green is Trophy maximum upward detection(35°), red is LMUR dive angle(70°).
Read my post above you, thank you. Your claim is false. It still has 70° top down attack past ~2km. The new tool is extremely accurate and welcome so that people can’t BS their way out of this.
Why should the LIMUR and KH-38 get nerfed, A missile fired by helicopter or airplane to be interecepted by a system like trophy is like waiting for santa to reach velocity of mach 2. I get it they are extreemly powerful but the reality is such weapons are powerful. The problem at times is introducing such tech without any counters like the 2A7 AV and 2a6 in the past. That is what causes all thsi comotion.
The equivalent was added with it, that being JAGM, and then given to almost every nation the next patch.
The problem is that JAGM has been artificially nerfed by Gaijin to the point of being stopped by APS while the LMUR enjoys full top-down flight path with extreme one tap potential due to HE warhead.
Well missiles fired from helicopters or planes being intercepted by APS is something I have never read about or seen in IRL. Well in some highly controlled environment that might happen, but not anything to go by with. Therefore, gajiin should not really be nerfing NATO or Soviet tech without showing proof of APS being able to intercept such ammunition.
Why? You want to also not allow any defensive measure from working unless proof is shown. Okay then - let’s see that test report on Kontact-5 being able to stop a WW2 M61 round…
The thing you have to remember is that an APS doesn’t have a little internal checklist - ‘Erm - nope - I can’t try to intercept that - it’s been launched from a helicopter!’
It doesn’t really care what launched the incoming round / ATGM - if it is within the engagement zone and quite obviously not something like a rock thrown by an angry local - it’ll engage it. Even the biggest ATGMS fired by an aircraft are still effectively flying at supersonic speed headfirst into a supersonic interceptor. Missiles don’t like that and tend to break when it happens.
While a broken missile is still very dangerous as bits of it continue via momentum - bits of broken missile are much LESS dangerous to the protected vehicle than a full-size one hitting it.
That’s because IRL, these top-down missiles strike at such an angle that they arrive from the APS radar upper blind spot. Iron Fist has +55° upper detection, Trophy +35°, and Arena +40°. Trophy/Arena also cannot intercept supersonic projectiles, so a missile coming at it too fast will go through, which can be the case for plane-fired weaponry. Iron Fist can do that, though, and even stop APFSDS.
Next-generation APS are moving toward being able to intercept top-down ammo, which will thus include air fired missiles or certain top-down ground missiles like the Javelin.
In War Thunder, JAGM comes at such a nerfed low angle that it’s in the detection zone of the APS. LMUR has its correct top down flight path and thus cannot be detected by APS.
