OP Vehicles, some were, some still are, some on release, some after a significant buff:
PakPuma, XP-50, Aerfer Ariete, Sagittario 2, M4A3 105, M1 Abrams, AH-1Z, Leopard 2K, Leopard 2A4, Leopard 2A5, Leopard 2A6, Leopard 2A7V, Leopard 2AV, PT-16/T-14 Mod., Strv 122A, Type 90, Leclerc S1, German KV-1B, CW-21, TURM III, IPM1, M1A1, Coelian, HE 100, P-39N, J2M2, R3 T20, Mitsubishi T-2, EBR 1954, Gepard, XM246, ItPsV 90, ZA-35, Falcon, AMX-30 DCA, Harrier, SdKfz 140/1, F-14A, F-4E, XM800T, VIDAR, Kpz/MBT-70, Puma, T18E2, Schützenpanzer PUMA, Ki-44-II, T58, T20, M4A3E2 75 Jumbo, M4A3E2 76 Jumbo, Calliope, P-59, Conqueror, Centurion Mk.2, Centurion Mk.3, Tiger H1, Tiger E, Rafale C F3, Mirage 2000 CS5/CS4, Mirage 3C, F-15E/F-15I, CL-13B, JAS39A, FJ-4B VMF (Ground), F2G-1, P-51C, F4U-1, P-39N, F8F-1, P-51D-10, P-38L, F4U-4, P-51H, F-80C, F4U-4B, F-86Fs, F-18A, F-8U, LIM-5P, Spitfire LF MK.9, Sea Meteor, Typhoon Mk.1B, A7M2, Ki-84 Ko2, B7A2 Homare, F-5s, VL Pyörremyrsky, A-4E (Ground), Leo 1 L/44, G.91 (Ground), T14, Magach Hydra, Merkava Mk.3 (US), Merkava Mk.2 (US), Merkava Mk.1 (US), XM803, XM1 Chrysler, XM1 GM, IRIS-T SLM, M24DK, A-10A Early, A-10C, LVT M24, L-62 ANTI, B1 Ter, P40, Somua SM, A6M5 Ko, Tiger UHT, YAH-64, AH-64E, Z-10ME, Mi-28A (Sweden), G-Lynx, Merkava Mk.4M LIC, AH Mk.1 Apache, A-129 CBT/International, AH-60 (Israel), F-16A, AGS, T 80 U (Sweden), A-1H (Ground), Ho-Ri Production, TAM, TAM 2IP, FV4030/2 Shir 2, TTD, M4A1, M4, M4A2, CV 90105, A-6E TRAM, Strf 9040B, Strf 9040C, Strf 9040 BILL, Lvkv 9040C, Begleitpanzer 57, Ka-Chi, T29, M551 (76), Ru 251, VT1-2, Class 3 (P), Fox, OF-40 Mk.2, OF-40 (MTCA), Leopard 40/70, Lorraine 40t, AMX-40, Strv 103A/-0,
Don’t recall most of these being oppressove to the point that the BMPT was, or the AA systems Russia recently got - or the Kh38, or lemurs.
I recall the T72 whatever premium pack being absolutely busted for a long time. The Ka50/52s with vikers being absolutely oppresively busted, 2S38 was busted and couldn’t be breached.
Lots of other stuff.
That said, I do remember how busted the PUMA was for a while. I do not have top tier air so can’t speak to that - but there hasn’t been any other CAS nuking me from orbit as consistently as the Kh38s.
Now, I am not a top player. I’m okay, more average than not depending on the week. I also don’t have a squad I run with, I’ve played solo for a long time so that’s probably another contributing factor.
But at the end of the day, when game after game is full of one death leavers for my team, and me doing good is a slog fest of being willing to out spawn the enemy long enough to possibly even the play field - idk bro it feels bad. Your experience is as a top level player running with a squad of other top level players, which makes you statistical outliers.
The majority of the player base does not play at your level - hopefully that makes some sense.
US top tier ground march 2018 - march 2019 was arguably just as if not more oppressive than the BMPT situation (and no I don’t mean this in a way to justify the BMPT being stupidly busted). I don’t think we have ever seen such a level of domination for such a long time again on the ground.
Some were as, less, or more busted, but that doesnt change that they were busted. My point with this was not to justify 10.3/7 BMPT, rather to just show that RU isnt the only nation to get OP vehicles.
Got it. I hadnt made it there yet I don’t think, so I missed that.
PUMA
Not all of these are NATO vehicles but we can let that slide, but you clearly just listed off a bunch of vehicles and didn’t think anyone would actually read this, for example the F2G-1 super corsair wasn’t broken on release considering its still like the same BR and also isn’t broken now in fact it probably has better performance now that some of the early jets were moved up in BR. The F-18A wasn’t really broken in fact most of the F-18’s have been kind of eh upon release, The AH-1Z was good for America but not really busted, neither was the Z-10ME which was actually god awful on release. The A-10’s all fell into the kind of not useful upon release role as better options existed already, So did the Tram as well, the Italian helicopter have also never really been all that good even the one that had spikes was considered on the worse end. Like there is a lot of vehicles in this list that very much were not near the realm of op.
So forgive me but I don’t think anyone should take this list seriously at all.
I think thats fair, yeah youre right. But I think the issue is that it currently has force multipliers that ARE and have been oppressive for the average player for a while now.
And I think people are at a point in their experience where emotions are strong and exhaustion with the status quo is driving their perspective to a further extreme.
I will add though, just because there were other busted things does not and should not invalidate the CURRENT issue.
You’re not wrong about the past, but your application of it here isn’t being recieved by people who have either:
A. Missed the events and vehicles You’re talking about
B. Are currently average players having an oppressive experience that’s gone on for a while.
It does not help that there was a post shortly after the BMPT was launched that showed internal and hidden armors/spall modifiers. At that time, I don’t think mods addressed it so that has further enflamed and reinforced an experienced based opinion. I am not saying they are fully correct, but they are not entirely wrong.
Yeah I did mention that. It sucked fighting that at release.
I asked some really darn good ARB players. They say it is. I’m taking their word over yours.
12.3 F/A-18A is not in the upper echelons of this list due to the MM, but it is definitely undertiered/broken in downtiers.
IPM1/AH-1Z duo on release. Broken.
Post BA-11 it was broken, just like other LDIRCM Helis :)
9Ls vs flareless jets. It was broken.
Same thing.
Best CAS player I know said it so, I trust his word.
Like I said, I am not justifying 10.3/7 BMPT or anything broken rn. Just dispelling that “RU is the only nation to get OP stuff”
The AH-1Z absolutely was busted on release. This was also still during the no max range on heli ATGM period, which made it even more busted.
They added the M1 in march and they had to move it up to it’s own BR so that downtiers would only see max 4 of them. It was that broken, it was clubbing everything else to death.
Then 6 months later when Russia finally gets a counterpart to the original M1 in the T-80B, gaijin just decides “you know what? this is the perfect moment to add the even better IPM1. And while we are at it we are also giving the US the new best AA (M247) and new best heli (AH-1Z) all in the same update.”
It was such a wild year.
Dude that must have absolutely sucked. Horrible role out - they really should’ve done major nation MBT roll out at once.
Sorry that happened for y’all. However, it doesn’t make the current situation right either. Reciprocity is dividing thr community rather than all of us acknowledging an ongoing pattern of behavior that is very destructive to the health of the community as a whole.
I think maybe that would be a better conversation that couls result in a better system for EVERYONE in how things are rolled out.
It isn’t - but currently it is the one who’s gotten the most force multipliers than can AND will snowball the match faster. And that’s the current pressing issue. It wasn’t right when they did it with the us way back when - and it isnt right now.
This is an ongoing issue that creates an environment that is primed for the player base to fight over because nobody is willing to forgive the past and rather address the on going pattern that’s the real issue.
A lot of time has passed and that thing is still a menace at it’s tier and I doubt it has it’s equal there.
So you’re entire argument is just I heard from a guy who’s says its broken therefor it is? The F2G-1 is good its not broken and their is better planes at the BR.
The F/A-18A being good in a complete downteir doesn’t make it broken as that would qualify just about every plane in the game as broken as everything above 10.3 would absolutely be considered broken. Bad argument
I actually did a little jogging down memory lane for the AH/1Z and upon release it wasn’t really all that broken it was good but definitely not broken considering how Hellfires preformed back in the day, Also a lineup being good doesn’t make a single vehicle broken.
The Z10ME was middle of the pack even after its munitions were given to it and continues to be so, but once again wasn’t broken upon release and by the time it got those munitions counterbalances were kind of coming to the game to somewhat keep these helicopters in check even then its still no LMUR.
The A-10 still fights flareless planes, yet still is not broken, wasn’t even the best plane of its own update lol.
The tram falls into this as well wasn’t really broken, far too slow and unlike the a10 it cant even pull insane rolls and such.
That’s good for the best CAS player you know doesn’t change the fact none of the Italian helicopters have ever been broken, especially given spikes suck lol.
“Can’t reload fast enough” literally has a faster reload than Leo and abrams from the get go
Depends on what tank you’re talking about.
standard reload for abrams is 5.0 aced, 5.3 expert.
if you’re not experting your abrams, that’s your fault.
Keep in mind both abrams and leo have significantly better shells than T-series do as well