TSS and APEX match mode with RB different .They provide some references, but they still cannot be “=”.
They’re better than every T-series that’s at the same br.
Hell, clickbait is probably better than T-80BVM as well
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The Russian tanks are fantastic at top tier because they have the most unforgiving armor since era cant bounce rounds it will just eat them instead as opposed to like an Abrams where I can slightly mess up my shot and it will just bounce in anyways.
Russia tanks also have a much smaller profile with smaller weak points making it harder for you to get your guns on target before one of them, the post penn survivability of Russian tanks is good because of the cramped interior not letting spall spread out before hitting something and basically everything in a Russian tank acts as a spall liner in the fact they eat spall without producing any which just means most shots wont deal heavy damage to the tank, not to mention the autoloaders are just a safety net for the ammo at this point.
And honestly people love to gripe about the reverse gear but with the vast majority of maps at this pointing be straight pushes into each other what does it matter you’re never really in a scenario where you really need to reverse same thing with depression all the maps where made for low tier vehicles for the most part and as such you don’t really require you to have depression you can perfectly fine play low depression tanks on every map.
I’m not going to say that the Russian mbts are the best in the game, as the leo’s exist and they do basically everything better, but they are still on the better end of vehicles in the game.
But on terms of the topic russia’s top tier as a whole is the best lineup in the game. You have the best spaa in the game and the only one that is effective against both helicopters and planes as well as munitions. You have the best helicopter in the game due to lmurs being insane as well as dricm on any helicopter being good. Then you get the best cas aircraft in the game as the kh-38s are insane and are actively the best munition in game, not to mention said aircraft for cas is also the best air to air vehicle in game and can bring a full anti air and cas loadout at once. Like if you need the proof russia’s winrate is like hitting the 60’s right now and anytime you queue in game russia easily clears the next highest amount of players in a country by like forty people
That is until u go into a city map
Not really. They are solid, but stuff like the Type 10/Leclerc/Merkava Mk.4/Abrams are still much much better for experienced players.
And that armor comes with a lot of downsides/limitations, which makes them worse to play for a lot of good players.
You pretty much say that for Russian MBTs to be good they have to rely on the enemy player being bad, which is a bit contradicting isn’t it?
Using good armor means you hope that the enemy player you are gunning for is bad, which means leaving it up to something out of your control. Meanwhile I can use mobility and gun angles to their fullest potential while staying in control for the whole situation.
Ah yes, because 4 km/h reverse T-series sure do well in city maps lol.
There are no tanks I avoid cities in harder than the T-72/90s.
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Experienced player will do well in any tank and even then it is far easier to a t series tank than a type 10, ect as they have specific playstyles that only excel in certain maps.
How does your armor eating rounds it shouldnt be able to stop have downsides/ limitations especially in a game that currently has none of the counters to said armor type.
My entire point in that paragraph is that map design basically makes the negative points of the Russian mbts nonexistent in the majority of maps, and my point with having the good profile and armor is that its harder for any player of any skill to get guns on target first? I mean if you have an ariete or a type ten you can just vaguely look at the thing and shoot where as both of those tanks have to actually aim on the t series which will then be more forgiving on what damage it takes once it gets penned. Also using mobility and gun angles is also just relying on the enemy to play into your hand and not countering things you do so once again what is your point?
True, but they will do better in certain tanks than in others.
Again, that depends on the player and their skill level/set.
I’m not an overly skilled player imo, butI absolutely despise the T-90M. My performance in the Leclerc/Type 10/Merk Mk.4/Abrams is far better with far less effort put in.
Let’s take the T-90M from the above as an example:
Advantage = Strong armor + spall liners
disadvantage = garbage mobility + mediocre firepower
So that is an extremely limiting tank to play.
Which is short sighted, because tanks like the Abrams and Merkava Mk.4 can be incredible brawlers/frontal fighters if used with at least 2 braincells. Despite their lacking armor.
Armor alone doesn’t make up for the other flaws, that is why armor at top tier is only really good when combined with good firepower, good mobility or both (see 2A7s/122s).
Partially agreed, partially disagreed. I expect at least some basic crosshair placement from good players.
You have to peek/expose yourself to use your armor, so if the enemy has 2 braincells you are dead before you even have your gun on target. That means the worth of your armor is directly linked to/indirectly controlled by the enemy player.
Armor is a single purpose tool while mobility can be used for a lot of different purposes, which is why mobility almost always gets picked over armor by skilled players. I can go flanking, brawling etc without ever depending on the enemies skill level. If the Brawling doesn’t work for example I can instantly retreat and repurpose my mobility advantage into flanking.
Clickbait has superior mobility and reload, which are more important for cqc.
Why do you think esports players priorities western MBTs in tournaments? One of the main maps is Advance to the Rhein which is a cqc hellhole.
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Type 10 is a terrible tank anyways.
The mobility is abysmal when turning, paper armour and the rounds are terrible too iirc.
You have to rely on the enemy skill level being lower than yours to use flanking brawling whatever with mobility as a experienced player will just cut you off, and all your arguments really just seem to come down to your experience or player skill level. You can use armor to force engagements in your favor as well in fact its probably the best thing for forcing an engagement that’s in your favor. Generally speaking the t series tanks are all around good tanks and better to use on everymap than most tanks barring the leopards as they are the best tanks in game. Like regardless of skill or map or whatever the tanks are just good tanks they will play well for anyone.
Good mobility the first thing that improves your survivability.
It takes precedence over armour.
The same can apply to gun depression angles.
Mobility + good gun angles allow you to position yourself much better with more freedom.
They allow you to minimize how much of your tank is exposed much better than just having a lower profile helps as you’re able to leave cover, take a shot and retreat significantly faster.
Armour isn’t and should never be your primary form of defense, relying on it too much increases your chances of being penetrated a lot.
Sure, it’s more forgiving, but that doesn’t make the vehicle better.
The cramped interior of Russian tanks is also a big downside, any penetrating hit means you’re bound to damage something important.
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You can’t.
The person who wins the engagement 90% of the time is the one who can shoot faster, move faster and deal more damage.
Abrams/leopard have better firepower (deal more damage), Abrams shoots faster and both have superior mobility
Superior mobility and depression angles allow them to also position better, which is a pretty good advantage too
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Russian tanks only have bad reverse gears they are still amongst the best in terms of mobility otherwise including getting into position, Gun depression once again doesnt matter as like 80 percent of the maps in game dont even have enough of hill on them for you to use gun depression. Having better armor that is less forgiving is literally never going to be a downside. The cramped interior of russian tanks prevents spall from spreading and results in less components being hit or damaged currently.
Also the leopards have worse mobility and better firepower but do shoot slower than an abrams however they are still better tanks because of the armor. Infact its the armor that makes them so good because if you recall when the 2a5 and 2a6 first were in the game the armor on them was terrible and they were amongst the worst top tier mbts
Reverse counts towards mobility.
Bad reverse = bad mobility
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Partially disagreed, because having that good armor usually comes at significant downsides if you aren’t playing the 2A7s/122s.
T-90Ms for example will rarely be able to forcr favorable engagements, because it will always be late everywhere. This is exactly why the T-90M is a decent sniper and a very mediocre brawler.
Weren’t they broken af on addition?
I can’t remember since I wasn’t playing that tier when they were added
The t90m in my opinion is a great brawler because you get relikt bags on the side which allows you to just pull some bs angling and eat shots all the time along with a really unforgiving front and at that range penn doesn’t matter. I’d say they arent very good snipers because nato gets the advantage of its poor armor not being a factor anymore and having higher levels of penn. But once again you have like three sniping maps and 14 cqc maps
No they were broken after they got their armor updated on release they were god awful tanks.
Leopard 2A7s are good because they not just have good armour, but good mobility, gun traverse/depression as well as amazing firepower.
They also have the superior internal layout and ammunition storage which boosts survivability.
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The 2a7 is the best tank in game because it literally does everything better than almost every tank in the game.