Russian Teams Steamrolling NATO - Top Tier is Broken Again?

Because the gun is not built for accuracy at long range and volume of fire is more than enough against an infantry threat.

You know it still needs to hit pretty close to it’s target.

This is a long, long explanation with a significant amount of historical context but can be summed up to

Whatever dude, facts speak for themselves. It takes a lot to knock out a vehicle modified in such a way with an RPG-7V based drones, compared to it’s regular variant.

Which it does as far as infantry is concerned.

I literally listed the reasons right there.

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Sure is for a vehicle with no laser rangefinder.

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Also shouldn’t forget that versions of that cannon or derivatives that are rebuilt for accuracy have lower firerates, heavy barrel reinforcement or both.

Yea. You know the 2A72. It was surely built for better accuracy. Oh no, wait. It’s the fact that a BTR-82 weighs like half of what BMP-2 is. And that the BTR is a wheeled vehicle, it’s suspension doesn’t really like three times the recoil.

Is that why the BTR-90 which weighs about the same and is also wheeled uses 2A42? Your logic is flawed.

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We have no firing trials for 550 RPM mode of that gun? There should be ample documentation of that in Soviet archives.

Keep telling yourself that the user manual for automatic cannon that features two automatic modes contains ballistics info for only one of them.

Well you only provided one table and are yet to prove whether it’s for single, low, or high firerates. so clearly it is only for one of them.

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Is that why the BTR-90 which weighs about the same and is also wheeled uses 2A42? Your logic is flawed.

Is that why it was never adopted? Damn, what a great vehicle we lost(

2A72 has worse dispersion than the 2A42. In Ukrainian modifications to that cannon they clearly have significant barrel support to reduce that problem. Same is for the BMP-3 with that cannon, the barrel is jacketed inside a support tube welded directly to the 100mm barrel to reduce barrel movement on any axis not parallel to the recoil of the gun.

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They’re actually in use to the extent that at least one is known to have been lost in combat.

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Same is for the BMP-3 with that cannon, the barrel is jacketed inside a support tube welded directly to the 100mm barrel to reduce barrel movement on any axis not parallel to the recoil of the gun.

So maybe it won’t break itself or bend a pretty thin 100mm firing tube during a reload, which it is like 5 cm apart from?

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what is this even supposed to mean

The reason for this sleeve at the end of a 2A72 on a BMP-3, what exactly couldn’t you understand?


If you can even in the slightest demonstrate that this was because of recoil and not because the army just didn’t want them (because the BTR-82A coming in around the same time was better) I will be quite surprised.

Are you familiar with a concept of sarcasm? The most popular, initial public version for denial is a rear engine layout. Army wanted a BTR with the troop compartment and doors in the back. That drastic redesign is not really feaseble, a new vehicle is needed instead, but the state doesn’t really want it anyway, so it never happens. As usual they eventually move to a cheaper option so they can pocket that money for themselves or whatever they do with our tax money.

So you have no evidence whatsoever to support your claim that recoil was an issue.

As i said, it was a joke in a context of BTR-90. There were dudes who installed 2A42 in BTR-82A, yea well it was great until the thing practically disassembled itself after a couple of hunded rounds at 600rpm.

BMP-3/2s fire in short bursts we have hours of footage. That we cannot share. The exception being extreme close ranges or if they are assaulting a position again from closer ranges

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BMP-3/2s fire in short bursts we have hours of footage. That we cannot share. The exception being extreme close ranges or if they are assaulting a position again from closer ranges

Yes, firing in bursts tends to be more efficient on most automatic weapon systems. You kinda want to see where you are shooting.

How come i knew what would happen even before i asked about mentioned in-game inconsistencies? First dude just started a default tantrum with “trust me bro” level arguments and eventually it boiled down to a default “stupid soviet autocanons being so innacurate they hit other universe”. Even when provided with a piece of documentation they still say “nuh uh” and try to twist it someway. A self-proclaimed “military expert” who knows very much about 2A42, yet he hasn’t seen it once irl, not even noticing that bullshit that i wrote “15 ton BMP-2 weighs twice as much as a BTR-82 (15 tonnes)” and just continuing his imaginary arguments to suit whatever he wants them to. At least he was polite, i guess. Just play the game instead of crying on forums. That’s a really strange mentality some people have, instead of trying something they just like to feel as miserable as possible, blaming some unreachable entity that doesn’t even know about them.

But that’s literally how it is. Sometimes they hit the helicopter they’re mounted on. Russian autocannons — it’s literally a meme.

Wow, and what’s the burst length in that case?

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This table is made for single shots lol

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