When the name is in Cyrillic just dont bother.
These are the Russian players that want to believe the BMP-T is realistic that their tanks are impenetrable.
The plate separating the crew from the autoloader is not the ammo holders.
It’s literally a sheet of construction steel + a layer of NBC protection on a newer ones. Should it really create spall? It’s removable, so autoloader can be serviced, it basically acts as a mudguard/false floor for a crew.
Manual traverse mechanisms are not hydraulic/electrical power traverse systems.
You know, it kinda reminds me of something, that light-blue thing on a screenshot. Turret traverse module, was it? Number 17 is an electric motor. Should i even show you the elevating mechanism?
Heavy ERA is providing excessive protection at angles that it should not provide significant protection? It’s not that hard.
Once again, please be more specific. I’m really trying to just understand you, not to prove anything.
Classic response to objectively broken vehicle that benefit enormously from selective realism. Lmao.
Please, go and prove to me that russian 30mm is actually inert enough to be shot at without ignition.
Whatever, i’m not going to change your mind.
also should not forget the accuracy of Russian 30mm in high firerate is overperforming enormously, it should struggle to hit a tank sized target at ~700m at full firerate.
2a42 firing table for HE round, funnily enough at 1km it’s a 0.5 meter radius circle. And that’s an HE, which is pretty slow and unbalanced.
A number of simulations, armor analysis and at least one forum thread on this here forum? Not hard to find.
Whatever you say, buddy.
They mixing T-72A/T-64A turret traverse mechanisms with newer ones someone spreading misinformation.
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That table is for rounds fired at low firerate or individual shots, not high rate bursts. Find one for 550 rpm bursts.
It’s thick enough to withstand post penetration of a large HEAT charge penetrating from above. That is more than enough thickness to generate spall.
That table is for rounds fired at low firerate or individual shots, not high rate bursts.
You wish, dude. They surely will be testing an autocanon in a single shot mode)))
It’s thick enough to withstand post penetration of a large HEAT charge penetrating from above. That is more than enough thickness to generate spall.
Yea, because it has to pierce a pretty thick roof and then 1.5+ meters of air, which kind of disrupts the it, you know.
Testing dispersion and range to generate a table for sight correction does not require bursts or high fire rates (especially considering there is ample evidence of high fire rates having poor dispersion with this cannon)
HEAT jets can go for 3+ meters after penetration. Disruption to the extent that prevents it from penetrating a mild steel plate of normal thickness requires heavy armor or multiple changes in material, not just steel to air.
If you actually search for live firing of BMP-2s you’ll find they’re pretty much always firing single shots or in low firerate.
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Testing dispersion and range to generate a table for sight correction does not require bursts or high fire rates (especially considering there is ample evidence of high fire rates having poor dispersion with this cannon)
It does, it’s an autocanon. What’s the point of including this table in the manual if it is not for an autofire (primary firing mode). I still don’t understand where this myth comes from. Oooo look barrel wobbles during reciprocation (look at it’s construction), it must be sooo unprecise.
HEAT jets can go for 3+ meters after penetration.
Do they have any real power after punching through a pretty thick roof armor? Not really. You can find what this autoloader coverplate really is, if you just google it.
If you actually search for live firing of BMP-2s you’ll find they’re pretty much always firing single shots or in low firerate.
Bruh. I don’t even know what to add. Sure thing dude.
You seem to not know a lot of things for the amount you’re talking.
550rpm is not the primary firing mode.
Here is 2A42 firing at the low firerate.
Some oscillation is normal. The amount visible on BMPT is not and would not be permissible by any BMP-2 field manual.
It’s like 40mm thick. In case you’re unfamiliar with shaped charges (which seems to be the case), they do this after exploding
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550rpm is not the primary firing mode.
What is it then? Enlighten me please.
Some oscillation is normal. The amount visible on BMPT is not and would not be permissible by any BMP-2 field manual.
Look at it’s construction. It’s not really alligned by anything during recoil. When cartridge actually fires it’s pretty steady.
It’s like 40mm thick. In case you’re unfamiliar with shaped charges (which seems to be the case), they do this after exploding
Yea, let’s compare hand grenade to a nuclear bomb. How come distance is still the main mean of protection aganist shaped charges?
Then why is the accuracy demonstrably poor?
It’s not.
That is the jet produced by an RPG-7 detonation.
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Pencil thin barrels do not react well to fully automatic fire at high rates, why do you think it’s a myth that the autocannon has poor dispersion at max RPM? Proper recoil compensation systems are totally linear and do not have barrel movement in the axis perpendicular to the bore.
We have images of Ka-52s that have damaged themselves with their gun. We have videos of BMPTs firing that show the barrel whipping around and video of the dispersion in full auto.
We have proof that heavy barrels and low firerates are mechanically more accurate than pencil profile barrels and high fire rates. You cannot break established rules of physics. It is unreasonable that BMPT has dispersion of low firerate when firing at 550 rpm. NATO autocannons fire slower and are built heavier but their dispersion is worse despite being built for precision.
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As an addition to this, if the accuracy was mysteriously just fine at max RPM, why even have the option to fire single rounds or at 200rpm? Why do it all the time?
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Also shouldn’t forget that versions of that cannon or derivatives that are rebuilt for accuracy have lower firerates, heavy barrel reinforcement or both.
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Because you decided so. I actually asked why the high mode is even there if a cannon can’t hit anything even when firing slow (by your own logic).
Then why is the accuracy demonstrably poor?
Oh look a wobbly cannon. I literally gave you a firing table for 2A42. Nuh uh is not an argument, if you have something factually significant then show it, please.
It’s not.
What is then, enlighten me please. Why tf dudes out there welding a goddamn mansions above their vehicles? Are they stupid?
Because the gun is not built for accuracy at long range and volume of fire is more than enough against an infantry threat.
Which is almost certainly for single shots are demonstrably incorrect, watch any footage of these things firing.
This is a long, long explanation with a significant amount of historical context but can be summed up to
- placebo, crews love thinking their armour is better. Same logic behind sandbag addon protection in WW2.
- obstructs the weak points. Drone pilots tend to be quite skilled these days and can effectively target weaker points in the vehicle. If the entire thing is a box it eliminates that capability.
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Yea, let’s refute an actual data, because you have a feeling. I’m not doubting that a heavy slower-firing etc. cannon will have better accuracy. My point is that 2A42 accuracy is good enough, not that it’s a death laser.
The accuracy in low firerate is fine. The problem is that it doesn’t get worse in high firerate mode.
We have no firing trials for 550 RPM mode of that gun? There should be ample documentation of that in Soviet archives.
if the accuracy was mysteriously just fine at max RPM
Half a metre at a kilometre (which is not a very big distance, btw) is good enough for most of its purposes, sure. But sometimes you need more control, to not overheat your cannon, to not waste an entire belt of ammunition and maybe, you even need to hit something more precise than a 1 metre circle at 1 km.