Russian Teams Steamrolling NATO - Top Tier is Broken Again?

Hey otter. You do know in the history of the tank, there was only two prototypes right?

So how could three tanks exist, unless they removed the gun and up gunned one, just as they had! Shocker! Then the renamed it.

Therefore making the original tank no longer exist.

Edit: let’s not forget about the M6A2E1 which has fake armor values, and never was more than a mockup.

again false

we have a number of budget documents talking about abrams armor improvements that indicate improvements to the hull front armor

Simple question. Is there a T29 made out of REAL metal that you can visit IN PERSON and look at, and touch, and everything…?

It isn’t a trick question.

Still a real tank instead of Gaijin implementing something called HoRi Production when it never was even designed on the blueprints

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Again, depends on what GUN the museum puts into it.

Or Tiger II 10.5, Panther II, etc.

I don’t know, but I believe the American NERA isn’t designed to fight against APFSDS, unlike the Russian ERA. I think they’re only good against HEAT, but I can’t say for sure.

It’s at the US Army and Cavalry museum correct? Pretty sure they have a SEP v3 there in addition to the T28

At least those were removed

Gaijin however,still doesnt want to remove the HoRi from the tech tree

They removed the R2Y2 ages before actually implementing the Thai line…and still have to wait the next update for it

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Original composite from the 70s and 80s most likely but I highly doubt that it wasn’t improved after all this time to be more effective against Kinetic threats

even in the 70s and 80s KE protection was considered

No - it doesn’t exist according to our illustrious Comrade. Someone needs to tell the Museum/Collection that they’ve got an illusion taking up exhibition space.

No? The Leo reloads slower for balance reasons. It’s the best MBT by far.

And why would BMDs reload slower? They were specifically designed to load the atgm quickly for an attack then flee if need be.

I don’t know, for example, at least to me, NATO countries never seem to have had much faith in heavy ERA; they prefer to prioritize other means of improving the survivability of their vehicles, and this may also be due to their experience with tanks. Russia/USSR, on the other hand, preferred heavy ERA that was effective against APFSDS penetrators but also effective against HEAT munitions, due to the terrain where their MBTs operate and the difference in doctrines.

AS you said for the Leo,its for balance reason,the BMDs are legit so broken,they are used to get nukes in 10 seconds like cmon

Uhhhhh?

Since when do Leo 2s have slower reload than other 120s that aren’t autoloaded or a Chally 2… WAIT I FORGOT THAT M1s have 5s RELOAD LMAOOOOO

I never notice it cus most M1 players have novice, or at most expert crews lol

Heavy ERA has some rather unpleasant side effects for any infantry in close proximity, plus it tends to make a royal mess of anything external (sensors, aerials) to the tank if it isn’t installed absolutely perfectly.

Think about it - you are blasting an array of metal out of the tank into the oncoming projectile. Like most explosives it will also chemically degrade with time, so older modules can be a bit…erm…unpredictable.

NERA has none of those issues.

Funny thing is, Abrams reloads as fast as an aced Leo 2, with a Level 0 crew (Both 6.0s)

They are designed to protect the right vehicle, so what’s the problem? And modern combat has changed; you won’t see large mechanized columns anymore, they will be attacked by drones, nor by large concentrations of troops.

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because tanks should not operate alone

especially in urban environments tanks absolutely need an infantry screen, which is a problem when the tank is covered in heavy ERA that can kill its own infantry support if something hits it