Russian Teams Steamrolling NATO - Top Tier is Broken Again?

[UniqueScorpions-live]

@Bowman_1

I have to simply believe that you haven’t, as there is absolutely no way you have played a reliable sample of games and come to the conclusion that the Mi-28 is in any way equal to any other nations’ helicopter.

These things are a swarm every single game, firing off LMUR’s from the helipad then immediately landing to rearm, rinse and repeat. They are immune to CAP and SPAA. They add absolutely no gameplay value. I am a CAS advocate, but the the Mi-28 is ridiculous and its dominance should be stamped out(but it’s Russian, so we’ll have to wait at least a year before a balance issue is addressed).

Russian heli gets added (KA-50) > people complain about it > it gets nerfed

Hmm where have I seen this before?

I do agree they should fix the Ldircm of all those helis, but I must add in the 20ish games I played as USA with China / Russia on the opposing team I only saw 1 Mi-28nm.

[UniqueScorpions-live]

@Alpharius11348

@UniqueScorpions-live

It’s likely the ground forces are doing the leg work while the combined arms (aka the heli) provides support.

it is not, as you have show earlier by looking at russian tank stats

so it is clearly the overpreforming CAS contributing to the winrate, which is very obvious due to MI28NM having a higher winrate than any other high tier russian vehicle

Weird cuz Su-30/34 aren’t doing very well.

Also what? I posted literally all sorts of photos unlike your targeted anti Russian photos.

@Alpharius11348

@UniqueScorpions-live

When I flew my Mi-28NM, I only was harassed by an Adats. And a F-15, and F-16 which were very blind.

maybe thats because there is literally nothing they can do to counter you

GOOD, helis shouldn’t be free kills to CAP. Where as CAP has an AF to protect, helis have themselves and that’s all.

[Alpharius11348]

@UniqueScorpions-live

Weird cuz Su-30/34 aren’t doing very well.

proof that you dont understand what you are talking about
because their stats include ARB not just GRB like the others

@UniqueScorpions-live

Also what? I posted literally all sorts of photos unlike your targeted anti Russian photos.

you mean I posted pictures of the following: every tank winrate by BR and Nation, the highest winrate top tier MBT, and the highest winrate heli in the game

@UniqueScorpions-live

GOOD, helis shouldn’t be free kills to CAP. Where as CAP has an AF to protect, helis have themselves and that’s all.

and proving that you dont understand what balance is, or how games work

oh also proof of your bias, as you are already complaining about 64e and z10me being OP despite being much more counterable than MI28NM, but according to you the MI28 is fine and even a good thing for the game

[Ion_492]

@UniqueScorpions-live

The top performers for top tier:

Can you genuinely not see that the Mi-28 has a much better K/S and K/D than any other heli?

Russian MBTs are fine, their helis are OP (every other one is, but the Mig-28 is more so), and they are tied for best CAS in the game. Their SPAA is also decent from what I’ve seen, especially compared to what other nations are stuck with.

I have a few solutions:

1. Nerf LDIRCM
2. Nerf CAS in general (move the airfields back and force an airfield spawn point. Guided weapons should also cost more, and A2A missiles should cost nothing.
3. Fix the underperforming AA that nations like China or Israel are stuck with.
4. Decompress CAS up to 14.0.

[MotorolaCRO]

@Ion_492

1. Decompress CAS up to 14.0.

I doubt Gaijin is doing that with all these new AAs.

[UniqueScorpions-live]

@Alpharius11348

@UniqueScorpions-live

GOOD, helis shouldn’t be free kills to CAP. Where as CAP has an AF to protect, helis have themselves and that’s all.

and proving that you dont understand what balance is, or how games work

oh also proof of your bias, as you are already complaining about 64e and z10me being OP despite being much more counterable than MI28NM, but according to you the MI28 is fine and even a good thing for the game

Fairy tail non sense, go find an example of me being “biased” like you claim.

I’ll wait

@Alpharius11348

@UniqueScorpions-live

Weird cuz Su-30/34 aren’t doing very well.

proof that you dont understand what you are talking about
because their stats include ARB not just GRB like the others

@UniqueScorpions-live

Also what? I posted literally all sorts of photos unlike your targeted anti Russian photos.

you mean I posted pictures of the following: every tank winrate by BR and Nation, the highest winrate top tier MBT, and the highest winrate heli in the game

You mean proof statshark isn’t a great resource? Shocker.

Also your last point still fails to make any sense

[Your_Local_NKVD]

Man just let them cry harder at this point because these folks are the type that thinks:

Buy high tier premiums = you are master skilled player approved by gordon ramsey…

Gaijin made low-mid tier russian tanks trash like IS-6 and these folks never give a damn about jagdtiger being impossible to pen at front, somewhat at sides, and have outrageous gun armor somehow bunch of players lacks skills to use it even…

[tripod2008]

@Your_Local_NKVD

Gaijin made low-mid tier russian tanks trash like IS-6

You know it had a “hidden” extra 200mm plate in the turret when it was added, and they arbitrarily nerfed HESH the same update it was added to remove basically the only shells that could reliably deal with it at the time.

[Crazed_Otter]

Yeah… IS-6 and ‘trash’ in the same sentence. Hmm.

That thing virtually decimated it’s BR bracket when released - singlehandedly.

[Alpharius11348]

yep exactly the kind of player who would say something like this

only has rank 5 and only playing russia (this is all the rank 5 he has)

no wonder he says is6 is bad, he just bought it and is such a bad player he did badly
like actually how do you get sub 0.5kd in something like that, its not like you had to stock grind it

also how can you be so bad to have negative KD in every vehicle you have played

[racimazzedine]

[tensilaspider]

To kinda ask ,the main problems are basically unreliable/not exact stats given to us through stat shark (Basically leaving us guessing what truly effects matches and a vehicles stats), Matches being heavily influenced by flavor of the month, and having a “Balancing” system that’s a mix of personal opinions, guess work, and not having enough wiggle room to be truly balancing. right?

So the questions are, What are definitive ways we can see actual stats between vehicles?
What can we do to dampen/ remove flavor of the month so certain nations aren’t constantly steam rolled when updates appear?

and what can we do to improve balancing? (decompression sense we all know that answer. Probably up to 15-18.0 so lower br’s can be decompressed)

[tripod2008]

@tensilaspider

So the questions are, What are definitive ways we can see actual stats between vehicles?

The best way would be to directly compare performance would be Cumulative Distribution Functions of the relevant stat, and judge by the shape of the curve.

It would be pretty easy for Stat Shark to implement.

[AlvisWisla]

@Alpharius11348

so it is clearly the overpreforming CAS contributing to the winrate

The following tech trees had OP CAS prior to new SPAA: USA, Israel, USSR, France. Let’s see how often they show up in the top 5 winning tech trees.

2025:
February: Japan, France, Sweden, Germany, Italy. Sub-par CAS except France.
March: France, Sweden, Italy, Japan, Germany.
April: France, Italy, Japan, USSR, Sweden. France and USSR have OP CAS.
May: USSR, Japan, Italy, France, Sweden.
June: Italy, Japan, Israel, France, Sweden.
July: Italy, Japan, Israel, France, Sweden.
August: Italy, Japan, Israel, France, Sweden.
September: Italy, Japan, Israel, France, Sweden.
October: Japan, Italy, USSR, France, Britain.

Japan and Italy show up every single time.
Sweden shows up all but once.

USA shows up zero times despite having OP CAS.

[UniqueScorpions-live]

@Crazed_Otter

Yeah… IS-6 and ‘trash’ in the same sentence. Hmm.

That thing virtually decimated it’s BR bracket when released - singlehandedly.

I mean… he isn’t totally wrong.

Most HEAT, and HEAT-FS negate all the armor on the:
IS:3,4,6, and 7… which is the biggest thing they rely on.
Is-6 can also be shot very easily in the gunner optic / the commander hatch and KO the whole tank.
Has a slower reload / worse pen than other things of its br. But a devastating APHE round.

So I do understand what he is getting at.

More pressing is how bad the IS-2s are.

[UniqueScorpions-live]

@Alpharius11348

yep exactly the kind of player who would say something like this

only has rank 5 and only playing russia (this is all the rank 5 he has)

no wonder he says is6 is bad, he just bought it and is such a bad player he did badly
like actually how do you get sub 0.5kd in something like that, its not like you had to stock grind it

also how can you be so bad to have negative KD in every vehicle you have played

hmm this doesn’t look like a response to my comment, asking you where you think I’m magically biased, odd. I thought it would’ve been easy to find

[Alpharius11348]

@UniqueScorpions-live

hmm this doesn’t look like a response to my comment, asking you where you think I’m magically biased, odd. I thought it would’ve been easy to find

gave an example in my post, but you clearly havent learnt to read or have a very selective memory

your statements concerning ah64e and z10me compared to your statements about mi28nm are extremely clear evidence of your bias

[ZVO_Vityaz_V]

as if you didn’t have a clear bias.

[Alpharius11348]

nowhere near as bad as mister MI28nm being uncounterable is good, but ah64e and z10me that are much more counterable and have much worse missiles are OP

[Your_Local_NKVD]

@tripod2008

You know it had a “hidden” extra 200mm plate in the turret when it was added, and they arbitrarily nerfed HESH the same update it was added to remove basically the only shells that could reliably deal with it at the time.

Did you know that you can shoot the barrel of any soviet heavy tanks easily because of that big muzzle break?

I don’t if you know it but many folks I battled against know this fact very well and act up on it very well too. Same will be way more difficult about German heavies with tiny muzzle break :D

@Alpharius11348

yep exactly the kind of player who would say something like this

Ok im now confused… are you suppose to pretend that nato thanks are bad or are you gonna brag how much better and sweatier are you compare to me considering you main american tree the most?

Pick a lane since only one of the choices are true while becomes false :D

@Alpharius11348

no wonder he says is6 is bad, he just bought it and is such a bad player he did badly
like actually how do you get sub 0.5kd in something like that, its not like you had to stock grind it

You don’t even have IS-6… but sure I will pretend that you know million times more about IS-6 than me…

But also sure I will pretend that america suffers a lot because you have high rating and k/ds with it…

@Alpharius11348

only has rank 5 and only playing russia (this is all the rank 5 he has)

Rank 5 aka mid tier which I am trying to grind my tech tree out of since rank 4 soviet tanks are at the worst :D

@Alpharius11348

also how can you be so bad to have negative KD in every vehicle you have played

Better question you should ask is why am I not crying about winrates like you nato fanboys do 24/7…

I will admit, I got rusty a lot ever since I left war thunder in 2023 because my core i5 pc can’t handle war thunder anymore…