Never said anything about their quality.
That’s because they haven’t seen the threat type that is so common in this game, other MBTs.
I wish it didn’t, they should have added something actually decent instead.
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It still disproves the point that USSR didnt get a new medium tank for 15 months
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Doubt it comes close to the Rafale.
It’s still a magical force field that renders IR missiles useless.
Any angle, any number, it doesn’t matter.
16 vs 8 is a pretty big difference.
Dying to any SACLOS AA at ~16km away is purely on you.
ARH missiles struggle to even lock helicopters.
Patriot not in-game just means it’s not finished yet, nothing more.
T-72B3A is the 15 month new addition.
T-90M was 15 months before that.
21 months for Sweden, USA, Germany, China and UK
You can make that point (although i don’t agree on the heli part), but that would be forgetting the missiles. You don’t need to be best in every category to break balance, just one thing and it can all fall apart (KH38 + Pantsir Combo) which seems to now have been replaced by “broken DIRCM + LMUR”
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Prior to LDIRCM RU hardly had the best helicopter in the game, especially while still using Vikhrs.
Magic field called LDIRCM isn’t a thing on RU helicopters only.
x16 JAGMs are also 10km+ FnF missiles strapped on a helicopter with a magic force field.
Mi-28 is problematic to AAs, but so is 64E.
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Its probably cause alot players avoid top tier, thats why you likely see these high match numbers for Ru.
Its just no fun since LMUR and DIRCM happened. You can’t shot them with alot AA systems and these LMURs…such an unessesary addition. Its like the death of GRB. Pointless to spawn a tank right now.
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To clarify, “main” meant tracked turreted vehicle with anti-tank gun, not to be confused with MBT.
USA: Stingray, and before that, T1E1 90 12 months. Almost got there for USA, almost.
Sweden: CV90105 TML, and before that: M24DK [3 months].
Germany: PzSpWg P204 KwK 39/1, 6 months.
China: VT-4, before that it was VT-5 6 months,
UK: RAM 1, before that it was Harry Kopkins I 6 months.
From T-90M to T-72B3A was 15 months.
You’ll note I did not include premium vehicles or event vehicles.
That applies to pretty much ever top tier MBT. Ukraine is arguably the closest we’ve gotten and that’s outdated tanks vs a mix of modern and out dates tanks.
There’s no proof anything that’s considered high tier is effective against modern MBTs. We luckily haven’t had a truly modern war with peer nations. The unfortunate wars we currently had since the Cold War have been non peer nations.
Most of the new “OP” Russian vehicles are less to do with being broken and just compression issues. Like most issues of the game it’s just balance between BRs not working as the snail is paranoid increased wait times equals lost revenue.
I do think the Buk will be adjusted either in a BR increase or reduction of either missiles or launchers. It’s just drastically different than the other multi vehicle SPAAs as it’s a medium size missile launcher. The in-game equivalents are smaller in size. Only the Aster is close to the size but has no where near the warhead size.
The Buk is closer to a Patriot than a SHORAD launcher.
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Well, we’ll see in 2 years.
I agree that compression is a real problem that Gaijin is reluctant to fix.
Still being limited to 12.0 makes no sense to me as I doubt queue times would drastically change if 12.3 / 12.7 were present.
Unfortunately generally the case.
My unfounded “US Main Crybaby” belief Russia and Germany to a less extend don’t get “fixed” as US vehicles.
To which I know US has had OP vehicles from time to time and to other may not be fixed fast enough.
It’s how I feel vs reality.
Ha yes, the famous 3 countries that make up the bulk of the vehicles you find at top tier. If we could stop using stats to try guessing vehicle performances while they are before our eyes it would be great
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Japan gets :
- A Mediocre SPAA (or shall i say completely trash by today standards)
- Good but not easy to master MBTs
- Mediocre CAS compared to the competition
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France gets :
- A situational SPAA (good against planes, helis though ? no)
- Same thing as Japan for the MBT
- OK CAS (one of the best for fix wings, just standard for heli)
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Sweden gets :
- Trash SPAA
- One of the best MBTs
- Mediocre CAS
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Meanwhile for russia :
- Situtational SPAA, but the best in its category (ARH slingers)
- decent MBTs
- Best CAS in both fix wing and heli department (KH38 = 2x faster than Hammer, LMUR = same as the american one, but with 4 times the amount of explosives) => The CAS part is the one that has caused issues for many months, and will continue to do so because of LMUR addition
You know i won’t speak about France cause i would be biased, but there is a clear difference in behavior when observing someone who only owns Russia and someone who plays Japan or Sweden (and that have usually more nations under their belt)
Same could be said for players using UK, Italian and Chinese (that one’s a bit mixed at times) vehicles
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The fact that BUK-M3, SAMP/T, Sky Sabre, SLM, and to an extent CLAWS are all the same BR as Pantsir, CS/SA5, Tan-SAM Kai, etc is hilarious.
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Personally, I often play the French tech tree. I have to admit that the Buck M3 is quite powerful. However, I try to use the terrain’s elevation to my advantage to dodge its missiles. And whenever I have the opportunity, I like to flank the enemy or attack from their spawn point, because I know that the Buck player will usually be watching our base, not the flanks.
As for the Tiger, I always fire two missiles now, just to be safe. I haven’t unlocked the SAMP/T yet, but from what I’ve seen, helicopters are very difficult to hit. The real problem with this game, though, is the maps. We have missiles with a range of 20 km or more, but the maps are too small to fully utilize them. And let’s not even talk about the SPAA; if you take a vehicle like the XM800T and rush them, it’s game over for them. What we really need are larger maps, not these FPS-style close-quarters maps…
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Calling Pantsir useless while other nations had Chaparral,ADATS…etc is delusional.
If KH38MT not spectacular for you then you definitely trolling.
Watching someone launch 8 missiles at heavy tanks and getting 8 kills while JAGM launch 16 and get 2 kills, who’s the best one of the two? Wouldn’t take a genius to notice.
It was.
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Now now, dont compare claws to any of the new spaa and the slm, its just as bad as the others you listed except pantsir
The post is comparing CLAWS to the SPAA at the end, not to the SPAA at the beginning.