Russian Teams Steamrolling NATO - Top Tier is Broken Again?

Doesn’t change the fact they’re the same when it comes to that lol.

Prototype seeker was clearly visible.

Ah the usual useless combat records against non-peer vehicles. Amazing.

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Yes, they are.

You said people simply play major nations due to their real life popularity, which still doesn’t explain why USSR is so dominant unless the playercount is being boosted by Russian players which you yourself denied. Abrams, CR2 and Leopard are more notorious than T-Series for modern combat, and Tiger/T-34 is on equal playing field for WW2-era. If we are basing nation playercount on vehicle notoriety then Germany would be top place, somehow USSR is still above them.

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Major nations are generally some of the easiest to play, that is a factor why a lot of people have these trees.

However Russian vehicles generally also have a pretty low skill ceiling.

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Prototype seeker was clearly visible.

Unless a prototype has proof of function it should not be added to the game. No other prototype equipment has be added to the game without solid evidence that it works. Do we just start trusting random piece of paper with “prototypes” on them now? No we dont and shouldnt, yet a fake missile is allowed into the game and to dominate the toptier of the game.

Ah the usual useless combat records against non-peer vehicles. Amazing.

A combat record that spans its deployment through to the active Eastern european conflict against peer vehicles, a combat record that would indicate that its at least as good as the other European vehicles delivered.

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Any evidence of that which isnt Just trust me bro ?

Nothing tells me RU is being played more on average than GER. They’re actually pretty close.

I could understand Leopard or M1s, but mentioning CR2 there is just funny.

You’re basing it off of your personal “Notoriety tier list”. Nothing you said here is factual.

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Dont forget the turret tossing champions

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I don’t get the hype of Soviets right now.
BUK-M3 isn’t a game changer though it will stop F-15Es and Rafales.
Mi-28NM will still die to SACLOS SPAA, and sometimes to ARH SPAA.
Soviet CAS is easily dealt with via SPAA systems.
T-80BVM is still an average top tank.

So yeah, I don’t get the hype.

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what do you mean stuck with vickhrs, its consistently been one of if not the best heli ATGM

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france in air 14.3 77% winrate britain 72% i mean because 90% in maches france and britain play in same team…

It also helps that the Eurofighter is a strong plane and British mains actually know how to play the game because we get shafted most of the time in the tech trees. Hell, we have some of the worst planes at 9.7 and the global average WR for Britain 9.7 is 50.8%. Our 9.7 spread:
Hunter F.6
Harrier Gr.1
Harrier Gr.3
Jaguar Gr.1

Not a single one of those is an overpowered plane in any way, and the Gr.3 is competent because it gets CMs, despite it not being able to dogfight it can at least survive the missile spam. But the Jaguar? Terrible dogfighter, Harriers? terrible dogfighters, the Hunter F.6? Decent dogfighter but every plane at 9.7 it faces is faster than it and it sees 10.3 a lot so you have to play it like a Vampire that cannot turn.

Britain and France get high WRs at 14.3 because not only do they get META jets, they have the skill to leverage them lol

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people always say this, but they dont realize that pantsir was added the patch after f16, if anything it is proof of some bias by the developers because after one patch where russia is at a disadvantage they get a new vehicle that absolutely blows everything out of the water

while at the same time it takes years until anyone else gets a system with comparable effectiveness

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They definitely received something that blows everything out of the water because M247 was added.
Or 122s, 2A7s, Rafale, etc…

You mean how RU haven’t had the best top tier MBTs, light vehicles, helicopters or jets for years ?

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wtf are you on

they have had the best heli since LDRICM was added and it got even better this patch
even before that point it was the best heli without fire and forget missiles by a lot

and for around a year they have had by far the best CAS planes in the game, to the point where all IR guided ATGMS were nerfed because of them and this patch they changed how spawn point costs were calculated also because of them

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64E at least can use its LDIRCM on targets above it IRL unlike Mi28

it does not, JAGM is much less effective than LMUR, and Mi28 has a much more effective defense against aircraft

The Soviets didn’t get a new medium/main tank for 15 months.
They didn’t get OP CAS for 3 years while my NATO tech trees had OP CAS.
The Soviets finally, finally for the first time ever get an equal SPAA to NATO tech trees that’s useful against top CAS.
The last time a Soviet vehicle was buffed was Su-27, and it corrected its flight model to be accurate; Soviets haven’t been buffed since. Mig-29 is still chronically wrong in dry thrust fuel consumption and flight model due to wrong thrust curves after being in the game for years.

Rafale is the most buffed vehicle of all time. Before that even F-15s were buffed more than Soviet vehicles.
The way wing-rippnig works now benefits NATO aircraft, especially F-15 and Rafale.

@Spidd124
AH-64E, Mi-28NM, and Z-10ME is not Russian bias.
AH-64E is also the best of the 3.
My favorite tech trees are treated better than the Soviet tech tree.

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what are you on? soviet AA has been at least as effective as NATO AA for many years, and for the last few years significantly more affective

does adding a new OP missile not count as a buff? because incase you didnt notice LMUR was added yesterday

how? worse missile, worse gun, and fights better AA

RU haven’t had the best helicopter for years at the time before LDRICM came.

CAS isn’t the only thing planes do at top tier, don’t forget that.

It’s still a magical force field.

Both have fictional force fields and both have 10km+ IR missiles. Pretty much the same.
JAGM might be worse than LMUR but that is mitigated by it’s quantity.

At being useless that is.

Better AAs that can’t even lock it up ?

The russian military was reliant on French Thermal optics exports until the economic sanctions began? You are telling me that they independently were able to create thermal optics of higher quality thats production was so efficient that they can utilise them in a one way attack munition? Despite also not being able to put them on their tank/ ifv fleet?

The Kh38mt require several massive leaps in logic to assert that its real and functional. You talk about delusion as an attack against for purposes I wont entertain a response to. While making massive logical jumps to justify the inclusion of a munition that doesnt exist.

As for the Ch2s combat record with the UA, yea Mines and drones are effective against tanks. We know this. The shortcomings of the Ch2s specifically are its down on power and the barrel doesnt last as long as smoothbores, no other real complaints about it have emerged that are unique to the Ch2 platform.

Only 2 ch2s have been fully destroyed, the first being destroyed by a Kornet after the tank struck a mine, the 2nd by a Lancet drone, while another 2 have missions kills, the 3rd “destroyed” ch2 was struck by a drone in the drivers hatch with little actual damage, and the 4th drone struck a ch2s gun mantlet rendering the vehicle ineffective.

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and the su30 is also one of the best planes for air to air in the game

as I said, mi28 should have no defense against a missile above it while 64E should, thats a pretty major difference

its not really mitigated by quantity, its damage is very lackluster and its incorrect lack of lofting makes it much more likely to miss

you know, pantsir by far the best SACLOS AA and BUK, by far the best ARH AA, neither are affected by LDIRCM and the large proxy radius and high datalink update speed for BUK mean it is much better against helis than any other ARH AA