What missle is this supposed to be?
Buddy the range is so short and Ukraine have intercepted it with PAC 3 Patriot system. It is also air launched from a MiG 31
It’s a good missile but not one to put NATO on edge.
100% First think NATO do is destroy Russian Satellites and then cripple every part of command and control.
Yes NATO will lose aircraft it’s inevitable, but they are so much more advanced than Russia it would not be a massive ask.
Remember Russia are failing to shoot down drones, drones have a massive RCS compared to an F-35
Thats Kinzhal hypersonic air launched missile
The missile allegedly destroyed, or the one on the plane?
What range do you think it has?
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you know how stupid that is?
lets put alot of debry in close earth orbit that is on uncontrolled trajetories and will more likely than not damage or destroy friendly assets which could lead to a chain reaction that could take out most of the satilites around earth
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The missile was shot down by a PAC 3 Patriot interceptor, not the PAC 2 designed for aircraft
The MiG 31 was unharmed
Russia can do the same with the S-500?
Hilarious point. Not even trying to hide your bias.
Did you just IGNORE my entire point about Ukraine’s drone raid on moscow failing???
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/new/
I insist you look on here for drone interceptions by both Ukraine and Russia…
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Realistically and nukes aside, i’d bet on NATO more than Russia
No our days the US rival is China, Russia i just a pale remain of what it once was (especially if we take into account the fact that some SSRs are now against russia)
Why is that? Russia retained the USSR’s production capabilities, remember that.
So theoretically if it was shot down, does anyone have any ideas or explanation on how? Did the Patriot pick it up at a lower speed that allowed it to be tracked by radar and then launched a missile towards its flight path to intercept it at a lower speed. Has the PAC-2 GEM T or the PAC-3 been updated to the point it can pick up the missile at hypersonic speeds and just launched a missile with the correct intercepting trajectory? Did Russia just not figure out the best way to use the missile, or are they exaggerating the missiles capabilities?
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It’s not biased friend it’s critical thinking. Russia are just getting the Su-57 in meaningful numbers. Most experts would agree F-22 is still the premier A2A aircraft, would you agree with that?
As a point USA has 143 F-22s in various stages of upgrades so we can say conservatively 80-100 airframes available. Russia has 36 Su-57 and we haven’t even approached the F-35 numbers, B-21 and even systems like F-15EX.
It’s not a conventional war that Russia can win.
S-500 looks great on paper but so did S-400 and S-350V they have failed to live up to expectations.
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Heh not really
Production isn’t just a building and some pattents, it’s first and foremost people and know-hows
If you don’t take care of those because of other priorities (say unstability or economical issues) it can be very difficult to start it again later down the line.
One can also look at a simple map and realize russia and USSR are different, or even the workforce and demographics
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On a more personnal opinion, i think USSR was Russia at its peak like french or british colonial empires. But just like these 2 it would, imo, be better for it to let it go and focus on what they already have.
Russia has resources and all the people they need, but for some reason they seem to think their best course of action is to go on their own version of Vietnam.
From an external POV, it looks like shooting yourself in the foot and it’s genuinely quite confusing
And the US can’t even produce the F22 anymore.
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It’s a potent missile but PAC 3 is designed to shoot down missiles, but honestly we do not know Ukraine reported it shot down and stated PAC 3 missile. USA echoed that because Hypersonics are seen as the new wonder weapon which they are to an extent. Issue with Kinzhal is it cannot manoeuvre, which makes it path predictable. The launch vehicle also doesn’t help being as they will have known when the 31 took off it had that payload they would be prepared for it.
Did the missile get intercepted or did it malfunction we will never know.
They have produced them already, the cost per unit is largely irrelevant when they have been manufactured combat tested and in the process of being upgraded.
Sure, if you say so.
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Russia retained most of its skilled workers post break up I believe
90s to early 2000’s were a tumultuous period for Russia AND their ex-SSR’s.
Theres no denying that, but Russia’s and most of the USSR’s industry was in the Urals, and still is.
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Buddy the USAF operate the F-22, what’s to debate here?
Yes Boeing stupidly destroyed the jigs and tooling so to restart the process would cost too much and now the F-22 is reserved for special tasks and the F-35 supports it. It’s why the US built the F-15EX using a 5th gen for mundane air policing is a massive waste.