Compressed because at the same BR some vehicles are better than other vehicles, and I’ll take the liberty to say T80BVM is one of the better ones. That is imbalanced. And as long as Gaijin insists that every nation has a “top tier” regardless of the vehicle, you’ll still have T80BVM and Challenger 2 at the same BR (and maybe 2A7), be that 12.7 or 15.0, unless they address this imbalance by nerfing T80 or bffing Challengers.
BVM, 2A7V, SEP, … being better than Challengers, Arietes, … at the same BR is literally the definition of compression.
You’d need to nerf most vehicles in order for them to be on par with Challengers.
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The T-80BVM is honestly barely above middle of the pack.
Leopard 2A7s/Strv 122s make up the absolute top MBTs, but the ones following it are the multiple Abrams tanks and the Type 10s.
Hell you could argue that even the Leclercs and Merkavas are up there above the T-80BVM. I personally won’t go that far quite yet, but it is possible for someone to succesfully argue that.
I’m a fan of moving tanks up regardless. The Leopard 2A7s and Strv 122s for example would be more than fine sitting on their own at 13.0.
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BVM, 2A7V, SEP, … being better than Challengers, Arietes, … at the same BR is literally the definition of imbalance.
See? At top tier compression and imbalance are the same issue. Because as long as you call them “top tier” they’ll keep having the same BR however you decompress. You can have them at BR 20.0 and they’ll still be fighting each other.
Problem is Gaijin will also find one of the Challengers and one of the Leclercs, say hey this one is special, and pump it to 13.0 as well.
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Imagine area around 9.0 is perfectly decompressed and then you put 2A7V there for some reason.
That tier is decompressed with 2A7V being a sole unbalanced vehicle that should be moving up.
Clear difference in the quantity of vehicles that are problematic.
No they aren’t, see above.
Or they won’t.
See, for example, how 2A5 isn’t at the top BR anymore after years.
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You can move 2A7V from 9.0 to 12.7, but where could you move a 2A7V from 12.7?
Yes they are, as I have demonstrated time and again. I am beginning to question your motivation of this conversation.
They still managed to find 2 Challengers to keep at the same BR as 2A7V, and now they’re even above 2A5. This is a perfect example of imbalance.
So am I beginning to question yours as you can’t understand simplest of things.
This is a perfect example of a rule Gaijin has for all nations in the game.
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Good anecdote mate, unfortunately CR2’s are the worst top-tier MBT’s except for possibly the Ariete and it’s straight fact. The CR2’s offer no advantages over other MBT’s despite being far heavier. Black Knight is decent because of the APS and that’s about it.
I would even argue Ariete is better because at least your tank isn’t pretending to be something it’s not - i.e heavy and armoured, and also has access to DM53.
Yeah, because people don’t change their mind simply over ‘you’re wrong, I’m so good at the game and everything I say is gospel. T-XX sucks!!! If you disagree then you’re just bad’
I’ll say this one last time.
There clearly is an imbalance at top tier because at the same BR some vehicles perform much better than others. You call it a compression issue, but as long as a so-called top tier exists there will always be the same problem, namely some vehicles facing much stronger ones at the same BR.
If you call that compression, then clearly top tier compression is the same as imbalance because no amount of decompression can fix it.
Or you could argue compression and imbalance are separate issues, but then it’s more of an imbalance than compression problem.
Either way, you brought up compression to disprove the existence of imbalance at top tier. I have taken all perspectives to show you it doesn’t. And all communication has become futile.
I do think you’re just trying to keep the conversation going. That’s fine, people want to talk to people all the time, and I have humoured you with some very simple arguments in a manner you could understand. You have appear agitated throughout this conversation, so I suppose my participation has not made you feel any better. I shan’t reply from this point onwards.
If anyone were to be convinced there indeed is imbalance at top tier, they’ll do so without engaging in this tedious theatre of semantics. I personally rarely debate with people for the sake of debating, but sometimes this is good mental exercise, so thanks for that.
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Happens when a tier gets compressed.
It simply isn’t.
I’m sorry that you can’t understand some things about the game, but that happens with not so good players, which is unfortunate for you and even me that’s trying to explain basic things to you.
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Amazing, just hit a T-72B3 centre-mass from the side for absolutely zero spalling and a commander kill only for him to snap back and one-shot my CR2E with spall liners and massive internal space. T-Series really sucks.
You know, the most cramped line of MBT’s with absolutely no crew ergonomics and only three members routinely surviving shots that would take out other MBT’s with much more interior space and higher crew count?
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When you say the T-90M has a good reload, good speed and a good round there really isn’t much else to say.
Everyone reasonable knows that the T-90M is mediocre or at best mid in all these categories. Your whole line of reasoning seems to be that the T-90M is good because you struggle against them, so you just make stuff up to push that agenda.
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The thing is I never specifically mentioned the T-90M. I said the T-series, of which the vast majority of T-80’s. The fact you’re strawmanning about the T-90 speaks for itself. The T-90M is also not bad, it’s just not as good as the T-80’s, which for some reason you think are bad, ergo you think the T90 is terrible - it’s not. I rarely see T-90’s in comparison to 80’s.
No one said T-series tanks sucks, they just aren’t as strong as you think.
You or Renzo said they are bad.
E: forgive me, it was Magik. But you’re all singing from the same hymn sheet.
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Which also are at best mid in terms of firepower.
It’s mediocre, I can’t of a single tank I wouldn’t rather play over it except for the T-72B3A.
Never said they are bad, they are just at most slightly above middle of the pack.
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I’m sorry that I don’t align with people that think T-series tanks are some crazy good vehicles that ruin whole tiers. You have uparmored Leopards for that.
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580m pen is not mid.
Which is false.