Definitely, which is why we have Kate in this supposedly realistic game.
People are literally asking for Japanese/German fiction to come back to the game.
1 Like
LOAL would also favor russia… the LMUR has MITL…
1 Like
And a lot of people argue against that as well. And i can even understand the ones that do want them back, its a bit unfair that only the old geezers get access to certain stuff.
Okay fair there, but primarily is why i questioned this thread name and the people within this thread n their motive. However no argument there.
Could also argue that is just bad modelling that isn’t being bug reported. Or if the devs think so its right im inclined to side with them for this one personally unless someone has bug reported it fairly and got rejected still.
I think I disagree, with Kh38s. Because again, Kh38 Missile itself is quite produced, and the seeker is at the issue not the missile itself, because the ML is quite heavily used against static targets with buddy lasing like you said earlier, nothing of a game changer IRL.
But Again, i think thats why the missile didnt really need much evidence to be introduced. However the Seeker is at question for the IR. And after doing some deep research and videos on few other missiles. Kh59mk2 had a similar seeker as well whilst also have MITL. So i believe the Kh38MT seeker isnt all that impossible. My issue would be the same Remove its ability to track moving targets, that would be balanced per say.
here it really isnt anything to do with russia, when it was introduced to China together. And now america and soon britain more whoever have ApachE. This is nothing really to do with Russian favoritism. because you argued that russia is a problem for china japan israel n others. So it kinda contradicts that part imo.
im not sure wether those changes had anything to do with LMURs. For years merkava has had a funny damage model. Its one of the reasons some really good players knew how to use it to ricochet due to the modelling within the armor of the tank itself absorbing impossible shots . However im not much aware on the STR122 and we have no sources on either roof, so it seems like an educated guess to work on it. Although in my experience i didnt see any issues with LMUR users or kh38 users against merkava or 122s.
Again this does not contrast with LDIRCM or the Fire n forget munitions , the only one that is at an effective disadvantage are the brimestone carriers. When USA FRANCE and other nations have their respective for Fire n forget rockets/ bombs etc, how is a LOAL system that has not been introduced at all for any side contrasting anything.
Agm 179s with now improved presets like a copy hellfire with x16 missiles is as cancerous, or the hammers on a rafale have been always an issue as fire n forget missiles from the past. LDIRCM was introduced to 2 nations and later on 3. There is no Bias or favoritism for a system here for introducing something that was just realistically better in range than their other nation counterparts, but also the lack of SPAAs for Nato countries put them in a disadvantage for that.
However in all cases, i think they could have done more to reduce the spam of Russian counterparts. And they did alot, especially with SP and IR loadouts. This was all to stop Russian spamming of jets with these loadouts as well. Before u say that the devs were favouring russian mains, the last 2-3 updates regards to how CAS works and their SP of loadouts have been direct nerfs.
1 Like
Some people argue that, sure, but also many want it to come back as they’re interested in them.
Recent removal of Japanese fiction didn’t really sit right with many.
2 Likes
Dont get me wrong i think it was the right decision to remove them but i can absolutely understand that some people dislike it when vehicels are locked behind essentially account age. Or in this case that removing them leaves a gap in the tree that should be filled before the removal
lol did you just compared defenceless against air treads uht with 8 missiles that couldnt lock sht and had no damage for ages with invulnerable against ir munitions heli, capable of oneshotting everything with one fnf missile without any problems and a gun capable of shredding tanks from 3 km range???
Im just wondering why are some people capabale to write on this forum…
4 Likes
This is incorrect. The DIRCM has overperformed for years on the KA-52, in much the same way the L-DIRCM does currently, being a blanket missile shield when that’s not even close to how it should function.
It has only become a widespread topic because of the expansion of L-DIRCM to more than just it. The fact that it take half a decade to even get an acknowledgement from the Devs on the system(and notably not until it applied to more than just USSR) is just flat out 1 of 2 things.
Deliberate negligence or pathetic incompetence.
Your pick.
And it isn’t like it’s an isolated incident, it’s a pattern.
All your points are nice and good but now count in how many different tech trees you needed to search for examples just to give counter to Daedalos’ russian examples
No I’m pointing out the blatantly obvious fact that Germany getting F&F ATGMs 4 to 6 years (and still counting for some nations) was unfair. The state the PARS and Tiger are currently in is due ENTIRLY to how OP it was and how badly it was destroying entire teams when it was introduced.
2 Likes
AMX-13, AMX-10, Leclercs, AMX-30s are pampered. Right
The last pampered thing i played is probably Rafale, and it was pretty boring. I use it from time to time to shoot down the russian CAS spam, but if you’re gonna use your “I win” LMUR and KH38, don’t mind if i use my “I win” MICA i suppose ?
I’m not trying to “divert attention”, you however seem to forget this is not the topic to discuss it. If you want to complain about OP stuff in other nations, you go to the appropriate topics.
Fair although it’s quite bad compared to BUK.
There’s still the spall liner example. The only reason it was given to many nations at once was because of the backlash
Thaty’s all nice and dandy, but you seem to forget KH38 are about 2.5 times faster than the competition. And it changes a lot of things, especially when you are the one trying to intercept incoming ammunition.
The explosive mass is also the greatest (only Hammer matches it)
I’m not in favor of removing KH38 all together, just the IR variant. ML can stay and has been documented to exist afaik
The Tiger was never as OP with its PARS as the current helicopters are.
It had a range that put it right into the danger zones of AAS and was easy prey for jets. The PARS, lacking a top-down attack, could hardly destroy a tank coming toward it and needed at least three hits. Some vehicles were — or still are — completely indestructible due to the lack of overpressure.
The Tiger wasn’t bad. But nowadays, it’s a wasted slot and light-years behind the capabilities of the new helicopters.
2 Likes
Yeah and ussr still is the only operator of PF atgms to this date. So what was your concer again? Ka-52 was much superior to ec at any given moment of time.
Even when those FnF were signifigantly less reliable than their counterparts, (ie the Vikhr)
People don’t buy the whole ‘but germany got it first’ whining when it never shone above the rest of it’s competiton
2 Likes
All I know is I got to top tier right as it was released, and Tigers where slaughtering everything.
But again the point is not a comparison between the PARS and LMUR (an no I dont think the tiger should be the same BR as the MI-28NM and AH-64E), its about how many years it took for other nations to get equivalents, it was 4 years before the 1st SPIKE ER helis and 6 for JAGM and LMUR. UK Japan and Sweden are still using hellfire’s.
Far less of a problem for ground targets then F&F, PF s only intercept a missile thats fired by an SPAA that the heli is shooting at, they don’t help against guns or missiles from other SPAAs. Putting hard cover between you and the battlefield protects you from everything but planes, and despite you claims that the tiger is completely defenseless against them it has stingers, which while not the best missile in the game do work
2 Likes
I did not talk about performance of LDIRCM, or DIRCM. Nothing to be incorrect in my message for how they perform because i had not spoke about it
I am only talking about what nations had LDIRCM introduced with and the major point being China faces Russia more often that not, and had ldircm helis to face up against it as well.
Nothing to do with overperformance, which he was talking abt. But if it was poor implementation they gave it to US n China. If anything I have not seen anything solid on DIRCM performance, against Russian helis, if anything its interesting because they continue to integrate it on jets as well. But thats a topic for later.
However do agree with HOW ldircm is performing when it blinds multiple just not one IR or IIR missile in game. And i do see your point as how the devs take into acknowledge of said problems, but for now there is not much we can do. I guess their balancing decision is give every nation Dircm/ldircm helis to cope up with rather than make them easier to kill helis
Yeah that’s the trade off, its more reliable, but you are being shot at the whole time you guide it in, even with hellfires you can shoot, turn you laser off and hide until the missile gets close then re-laser the target to reduce you exposure.
2 Likes
I see your point on how much more dangerous it makes them. As obviously being a small or short range ballistic missile. I think more could be done if the SPAA intercepting was being improved, however this purely devs fault and there is no shift of blame or anything, they have made the SPAA or multi sam systems quite tough in a spot by giving them great range but poor implementation of interception and avoidance
its a pattern, when something has great range, they give poor maneuverability or interception. Same with Air to air or ground to air. ETC thats what i feel from the devs which i very much dislike
I think a major issue of the game is and which i do agree with some here, is the assumptions on which they take for what nation.
they could communicate better to actually let down people more easily. However it is a game, and i rather would see balancing, but lets be honest, gaijin would rather install newer things to combat OP things, than work on the OP things by getting them nerfed.
its like a waste of time for them mainly or cost ineffective, along with minor bugs, that can be fixed overtime by themselves by just waiting a few updates( such as the some IRST jets could fire ARH thru HMS IRST_) a bug that just got fixed by itself without ever being mentioned in bug fixes. Or simple balance issues, which they were rather keen on working NEW SAM multi vics, than help out with the SP balancing for Kh38s Hammers etc, which came later.
Overall its their nature, i suppose your only method of protest is to either join in with the other side that has what u want, or just protest i suppose.
I never understood the double standard when removing vehicles and ammo.
One gets permanently removed and other is just soft locked from being researched, while people can still use the “removed” vehicle.
2 Likes