If were actively talking about the KH38MT being fake then its not vague context but ok well do our best to make our comments as accessible as possible from now on.
No one ever said that, because there literally is no proof.
Ofc they dont the KH38MT is a topic Gaijin doesnt want to be discussed.
We did that mutiple times and nothing came of it and like you just commented, the only thing we got is the obvioulsy wrong photo of the SU30SM.
Its 100% clear that these 2 examples are just the Gaijin devs giving russia some extra treatment to bolster their performance.
I mean you can go discuss it in the AASM thread, this one is for the russian posing a balancing problem at top tier. But sure, it’s poorly modelled in game and deserves a fix
But hey its pointless what this thread is or not. What have u gained out of it? This title alone is getting laughed on. Dont think any CM or Mod has really been active here, the outcome is nothing really.
Cant wait anyway to see the winrate increase rightfully for Russia. Been damn time since the LMURs got their place in the game, couldnt care what happens to kh38s
well i bother when i can kill time for my own amusement reading these threads. Cuz i know nothings changing. Would you prefer it if only Nato mains who likely have an ego for losing against russia in a game they try to make realistic( funnily why not make realism across the board and ruin the game with realistic repairs and destruction, lets see how much fun u guys have then) or dont have russia itself discuss in this thread only? And I mean that is no offence really or disrespect. Seems like what it is.
Not quite. Full realism would of course not be fun, however russia’s got preferential treatment within the boundaries of what Gaijin considers “realistic”.
I will note that the thread is called “Russia steamrolling NATO” but it does in fact not concern NATO vehicles only. Israel, China, Japan also seem to suffer when it comes to mechanic implementation.
For example :
G overload for missiles is modelled => Western manpads get 2/3rd of their overload based on an assumption
Spall is modelled => Russian caroussel eats spall but does not create any when hit
KH38MT exists in game while more evidence is usually demanded when introducing weaponry to an aircraft.
LDIRCM is modelled in game but poorly, yet they chose to introduce it anyway.
The moment they realize LMUR can’t do anything to Merkava’s and 122s because they have good roof armor, they nerf it immediately, yet KH38 had no counter for years before the modern AAs were introduced.
There are also mechanics that would favor nations that aren’t russia, like LOAL for Spikes or the incoming Akeron. We know Gaijin knows how to model it, because they did it for the 2077 Warfare april fools event, but they decided to not introduce it for balance. That contrasts a bit with LDIRCM, LMUR and KH38 introduction, does it not ?
For example they almost added spall liners for Russia only before a serious backlash, Buk working as stand alone is also a mechanic only russia has. Now that being said we can make a bet : EBRC Jaguar (upcoming french light tank) can hear where the enemies are using a microphone and a bit of tringulation. If I were to implement it as a dev it would work a bit like a RWR that triggers when an enemy tank shoots, and it marks the caliber of the tank that fired.
→ I’m betting this mechanic won’t be introduced in game
This and some little phrasing like “We believe it’s a marketting lie” on a EF bug report or “we assume” in the Manpads article seems to show some amount of bias from the dev’s part, and keep in mind it’s only what is shown.
I will add that if russian mains really wanted to have a balanced tree, they would argue for decompression at 7.0-8.0 where their early cold war tanks are quite meh, instead of defending some quite busted weaponry or mechanics
Realistic game filled with fakes and disputed stats because classified documents exist ?
Realistic game that adds waifu packs ?
They’re known to add fictional things for balancing reasons, so giving RU tanks a bit faster reload and reverse speed wouldn’t be all that strange. They don’t need to add OP CAS in order to balance their tanks, as tanks can be balanced on their own.
100% agree. And id say money > realism as well. But there is a limit to how much fantasy the community can take before they complain or before war thunder becomes just another WoT clone
And a lot of people argue against that as well. And i can even understand the ones that do want them back, its a bit unfair that only the old geezers get access to certain stuff.
Okay fair there, but primarily is why i questioned this thread name and the people within this thread n their motive. However no argument there.
Could also argue that is just bad modelling that isn’t being bug reported. Or if the devs think so its right im inclined to side with them for this one personally unless someone has bug reported it fairly and got rejected still.
I think I disagree, with Kh38s. Because again, Kh38 Missile itself is quite produced, and the seeker is at the issue not the missile itself, because the ML is quite heavily used against static targets with buddy lasing like you said earlier, nothing of a game changer IRL.
But Again, i think thats why the missile didnt really need much evidence to be introduced. However the Seeker is at question for the IR. And after doing some deep research and videos on few other missiles. Kh59mk2 had a similar seeker as well whilst also have MITL. So i believe the Kh38MT seeker isnt all that impossible. My issue would be the same Remove its ability to track moving targets, that would be balanced per say.
here it really isnt anything to do with russia, when it was introduced to China together. And now america and soon britain more whoever have ApachE. This is nothing really to do with Russian favoritism. because you argued that russia is a problem for china japan israel n others. So it kinda contradicts that part imo.
im not sure wether those changes had anything to do with LMURs. For years merkava has had a funny damage model. Its one of the reasons some really good players knew how to use it to ricochet due to the modelling within the armor of the tank itself absorbing impossible shots . However im not much aware on the STR122 and we have no sources on either roof, so it seems like an educated guess to work on it. Although in my experience i didnt see any issues with LMUR users or kh38 users against merkava or 122s.
Again this does not contrast with LDIRCM or the Fire n forget munitions , the only one that is at an effective disadvantage are the brimestone carriers. When USA FRANCE and other nations have their respective for Fire n forget rockets/ bombs etc, how is a LOAL system that has not been introduced at all for any side contrasting anything.
Agm 179s with now improved presets like a copy hellfire with x16 missiles is as cancerous, or the hammers on a rafale have been always an issue as fire n forget missiles from the past. LDIRCM was introduced to 2 nations and later on 3. There is no Bias or favoritism for a system here for introducing something that was just realistically better in range than their other nation counterparts, but also the lack of SPAAs for Nato countries put them in a disadvantage for that.
However in all cases, i think they could have done more to reduce the spam of Russian counterparts. And they did alot, especially with SP and IR loadouts. This was all to stop Russian spamming of jets with these loadouts as well. Before u say that the devs were favouring russian mains, the last 2-3 updates regards to how CAS works and their SP of loadouts have been direct nerfs.
Dont get me wrong i think it was the right decision to remove them but i can absolutely understand that some people dislike it when vehicels are locked behind essentially account age. Or in this case that removing them leaves a gap in the tree that should be filled before the removal
lol did you just compared defenceless against air treads uht with 8 missiles that couldnt lock sht and had no damage for ages with invulnerable against ir munitions heli, capable of oneshotting everything with one fnf missile without any problems and a gun capable of shredding tanks from 3 km range???
Im just wondering why are some people capabale to write on this forum…
This is incorrect. The DIRCM has overperformed for years on the KA-52, in much the same way the L-DIRCM does currently, being a blanket missile shield when that’s not even close to how it should function.
It has only become a widespread topic because of the expansion of L-DIRCM to more than just it. The fact that it take half a decade to even get an acknowledgement from the Devs on the system(and notably not until it applied to more than just USSR) is just flat out 1 of 2 things.
Deliberate negligence or pathetic incompetence.
Your pick.
And it isn’t like it’s an isolated incident, it’s a pattern.
All your points are nice and good but now count in how many different tech trees you needed to search for examples just to give counter to Daedalos’ russian examples
No I’m pointing out the blatantly obvious fact that Germany getting F&F ATGMs 4 to 6 years (and still counting for some nations) was unfair. The state the PARS and Tiger are currently in is due ENTIRLY to how OP it was and how badly it was destroying entire teams when it was introduced.
