Russian Teams Steamrolling NATO - Top Tier is Broken Again?

[Lawrence777]

What a reverse rage bait, when the guys posted that kh38 firing onto said objects and the moderators deleted it because of war footage. So deal with it, go ask those mods to help you out w it

[H_ngma]

@Lawrence777

if you refer to his sentence, i wasnt really asked or told a kh38MT or su30sm. For that matter it really isnt my issue.

Because he clearly meant the MT (because a laser guided KH38 is not really a wonder in the 21st century) , you seem to struggle with context my dude.

@Lawrence777

Seems like even the Forum moderators proved the existence of the IR Seekker which u try finding so much proof of.

Not really, they said that it might exist however nothing if it was ever tested and/or flown on a plane we have in game

@Lawrence777

But anyway, shall we talk about how the Hammer that the french have a bullshit seeker that tracks moving targets which it cant? and was proven lol

Oh we can, the seeker doesnt work irl like it does in game, because Gaijin cant be bothered to properly model it but at least the seeker exists and was tested and fired and so on.

[Farlexgamer_psn]

So true Lawrenczio

[Lawrence777]

@H_ngma

Because he clearly meant the MT (because a laser guided KH38 is not really a wonder in the 21st century) , you seem to struggle with context my dude.

Lawrence777:

again, vague context is his issue and yours, you clearly lack so called “reading comprehension” which you give others shit for, when he just mentioned Kh38s, again not my issue.

@H_ngma

Not really, they said that it might exist however nothing if it was ever tested and/or flown on a plane we have in game

All the forum mods could have objected to it, whilst one moderator even said “its proven it has an IR seeker what more do you want”

again, if the mods so disagreed with it, why not take it up with the devs, they can make further more internal reports and clarification which they never did.

Heck even smin never has been asked to shown proof. Any of the CM and Mods can go ask the devs for clarification of the IR seeker which u so much look for. Ask them to ask the devs to deliver their source. Smins did that with when the su30sm double pylon proof was asked, and he said it came from the devs

[Lawrence777]

@Lawrence777

Smins did that with when the su30sm double pylon proof was asked, and he said it came from the devs

Even as a russian Main, i objected to that su30sm Double pylon photo which was nothing but a fov mishap or misunderstanding that allowed it to look like a double pylon. And when we asked smins that the photo isnt correct. he said it came from the devs.

[Lawrence777]

You guys have the luxury of pressuring the devs. Do it. Like we did for the 30sm double pylon

[H_ngma]

@Lawrence777

again, vague context is his issue and yours, you clearly lack so called “reading comprehension” which you give others shit for, when he just mentioned Kh38s, again not my issue.

If were actively talking about the KH38MT being fake then its not vague context but ok well do our best to make our comments as accessible as possible from now on.

@Lawrence777

All the forum mods could have objected to it, whilst one moderator even said “its proven it has an IR seeker what more do you want”

No one ever said that, because there literally is no proof.

@Lawrence777

again, if the mods so disagreed with it, why not take it up with the devs, they can make further more internal reports and clarification which they never did.

Ofc they dont the KH38MT is a topic Gaijin doesnt want to be discussed.

@Lawrence777

. Ask them to ask the devs to deliver their source. Smins did that with when the su30sm double pylon proof was asked, and he said it came from the devs

We did that mutiple times and nothing came of it and like you just commented, the only thing we got is the obvioulsy wrong photo of the SU30SM.
Its 100% clear that these 2 examples are just the Gaijin devs giving russia some extra treatment to bolster their performance.

[UNN_Daedalos]

@Lawrence777

But anyway, shall we talk about how the Hammer that the french have a bullshit seeker that tracks moving targets which it cant? and was proven lol

I mean you can go discuss it in the AASM thread, this one is for the russian posing a balancing problem at top tier. But sure, it’s poorly modelled in game and deserves a fix

[Lawrence777]

But hey its pointless what this thread is or not. What have u gained out of it? This title alone is getting laughed on. Dont think any CM or Mod has really been active here, the outcome is nothing really.

Cant wait anyway to see the winrate increase rightfully for Russia. Been damn time since the LMURs got their place in the game, couldnt care what happens to kh38s

[UNN_Daedalos]

@Lawrence777

But hey its pointless what this thread is or not. What have u gained out of it? This title alone is getting laughed on. Dont think any CM or Mod has really been active here, the outcome is nothing really.

Because it’s whataboutism. Everything is much better when each subject is in its own thread

And if it does not matter anyway, why do you bother writing here ?

[Lawrence777]

well i bother when i can kill time for my own amusement reading these threads. Cuz i know nothings changing. Would you prefer it if only Nato mains who likely have an ego for losing against russia in a game they try to make realistic( funnily why not make realism across the board and ruin the game with realistic repairs and destruction, lets see how much fun u guys have then) or dont have russia itself discuss in this thread only? And I mean that is no offence really or disrespect. Seems like what it is.

[UNN_Daedalos]

Heh sometimes they do

Spall liner for example.

@Lawrence777

funnily why not make realism across the board and ruin the game with realistic repairs and destruction, lets see how much fun u guys have then

Not quite. Full realism would of course not be fun, however russia’s got preferential treatment within the boundaries of what Gaijin considers “realistic”.

I will note that the thread is called “Russia steamrolling NATO” but it does in fact not concern NATO vehicles only. Israel, China, Japan also seem to suffer when it comes to mechanic implementation.

For example :

• G overload for missiles is modelled => Western manpads get 2/3rd of their overload based on an assumption
• Spall is modelled => Russian caroussel eats spall but does not create any when hit
• KH38MT exists in game while more evidence is usually demanded when introducing weaponry to an aircraft.
• LDIRCM is modelled in game but poorly, yet they chose to introduce it anyway.
• The moment they realize LMUR can’t do anything to Merkava’s and 122s because they have good roof armor, they nerf it immediately, yet KH38 had no counter for years before the modern AAs were introduced.

There are also mechanics that would favor nations that aren’t russia, like LOAL for Spikes or the incoming Akeron. We know Gaijin knows how to model it, because they did it for the 2077 Warfare april fools event, but they decided to not introduce it for balance. That contrasts a bit with LDIRCM, LMUR and KH38 introduction, does it not ?

For example they almost added spall liners for Russia only before a serious backlash, Buk working as stand alone is also a mechanic only russia has. Now that being said we can make a bet : EBRC Jaguar (upcoming french light tank) can hear where the enemies are using a microphone and a bit of tringulation. If I were to implement it as a dev it would work a bit like a RWR that triggers when an enemy tank shoots, and it marks the caliber of the tank that fired.
→ I’m betting this mechanic won’t be introduced in game

This and some little phrasing like “We believe it’s a marketting lie” on a EF bug report or “we assume” in the Manpads article seems to show some amount of bias from the dev’s part, and keep in mind it’s only what is shown.

I will add that if russian mains really wanted to have a balanced tree, they would argue for decompression at 7.0-8.0 where their early cold war tanks are quite meh, instead of defending some quite busted weaponry or mechanics

[MotorolaCRO]

@H_ngma

Sure gaijin could do that but since they pride themselves with making a „realistic“ game id say that would somewhat destroy that

Realistic game filled with fakes and disputed stats because classified documents exist ?
Realistic game that adds waifu packs ?

They’re known to add fictional things for balancing reasons, so giving RU tanks a bit faster reload and reverse speed wouldn’t be all that strange. They don’t need to add OP CAS in order to balance their tanks, as tanks can be balanced on their own.

@H_ngma

but if you hit all with the realism hammer they’d be in some serious trouble

Gaijin’s actions scream balance > realism.

[H_ngma]

@MotorolaCRO

Gaijin’s actions scream balance > realism.

100% agree. And id say money > realism as well. But there is a limit to how much fantasy the community can take before they complain or before war thunder becomes just another WoT clone

[Ghost_of_TelAviv]

@UNN_Daedalos

Buk working as stand alone is also a mechanic only russia has.

Japan is Russia now, got it.

[MotorolaCRO]

Don’t mind him, he’s just trying to divert attention from his nation of choice so people don’t see how handheld and pampered to it is.

[MotorolaCRO]

@H_ngma

100% agree. And id say money > realism as well.

Definitely, which is why we have Kate in this supposedly realistic game.

@H_ngma

But there is a limit to how much fantasy the community can take before they complain

People are literally asking for Japanese/German fiction to come back to the game.

[Nowel]

@UNN_Daedalos

There are also mechanics that would favor nations that aren’t russia, like LOAL for Spikes or the incoming Akeron

LOAL would also favor russia… the LMUR has MITL…

[H_ngma]

@MotorolaCRO

People are literally asking for Japanese/German fiction to come back to the game.

And a lot of people argue against that as well. And i can even understand the ones that do want them back, its a bit unfair that only the old geezers get access to certain stuff.

[Lawrence777]

@UNN_Daedalos

I will note that the thread is called “Russia steamrolling NATO” but it does in fact not concern NATO vehicles only. Israel, China, Japan also seem to suffer when it comes to mechanic implementation.

Okay fair there, but primarily is why i questioned this thread name and the people within this thread n their motive. However no argument there.

@UNN_Daedalos

• Spall is modelled => Russian caroussel eats spall but does not create any when hit

Could also argue that is just bad modelling that isn’t being bug reported. Or if the devs think so its right im inclined to side with them for this one personally unless someone has bug reported it fairly and got rejected still.

@UNN_Daedalos

KH38MT exists in game while more evidence is usually demanded when introducing weaponry to an aircraft

I think I disagree, with Kh38s. Because again, Kh38 Missile itself is quite produced, and the seeker is at the issue not the missile itself, because the ML is quite heavily used against static targets with buddy lasing like you said earlier, nothing of a game changer IRL.

But Again, i think thats why the missile didnt really need much evidence to be introduced. However the Seeker is at question for the IR. And after doing some deep research and videos on few other missiles. Kh59mk2 had a similar seeker as well whilst also have MITL. So i believe the Kh38MT seeker isnt all that impossible. My issue would be the same Remove its ability to track moving targets, that would be balanced per say.

@UNN_Daedalos

• LDIRCM is modelled in game but poorly, yet they chose to introduce it anyway.

here it really isnt anything to do with russia, when it was introduced to China together. And now america and soon britain more whoever have ApachE. This is nothing really to do with Russian favoritism. because you argued that russia is a problem for china japan israel n others. So it kinda contradicts that part imo.

@UNN_Daedalos

• The moment they realize LMUR can’t do anything to Merkava’s and 122s because they have good roof armor, they nerf it immediately, yet KH38 had no counter for years before the modern AAs were introduced.

im not sure wether those changes had anything to do with LMURs. For years merkava has had a funny damage model. Its one of the reasons some really good players knew how to use it to ricochet due to the modelling within the armor of the tank itself absorbing impossible shots . However im not much aware on the STR122 and we have no sources on either roof, so it seems like an educated guess to work on it. Although in my experience i didnt see any issues with LMUR users or kh38 users against merkava or 122s.

@UNN_Daedalos

There are also mechanics that would favor nations that aren’t russia, like LOAL for Spikes or the incoming Akeron. We know Gaijin knows how to model it, because they did it for the 2077 Warfare april fools event, but they decided to not introduce it for balance. That contrasts a bit with LDIRCM, LMUR and KH38 introduction, does it not ?

Again this does not contrast with LDIRCM or the Fire n forget munitions , the only one that is at an effective disadvantage are the brimestone carriers. When USA FRANCE and other nations have their respective for Fire n forget rockets/ bombs etc, how is a LOAL system that has not been introduced at all for any side contrasting anything.
Agm 179s with now improved presets like a copy hellfire with x16 missiles is as cancerous, or the hammers on a rafale have been always an issue as fire n forget missiles from the past. LDIRCM was introduced to 2 nations and later on 3. There is no Bias or favoritism for a system here for introducing something that was just realistically better in range than their other nation counterparts, but also the lack of SPAAs for Nato countries put them in a disadvantage for that.

However in all cases, i think they could have done more to reduce the spam of Russian counterparts. And they did alot, especially with SP and IR loadouts. This was all to stop Russian spamming of jets with these loadouts as well. Before u say that the devs were favouring russian mains, the last 2-3 updates regards to how CAS works and their SP of loadouts have been direct nerfs.