You have good gun handling, solid reload and solid round with good mobility.
This makes it better than any T-series equivalent at the same br
You have good turret armour, good gun handling, the BEST round out of all top tier tanks and better or on par reload with Russians. Better mobility.
Makes all of these tanks better
T-90 is trash, only good side is armour, T-80bvm has ok mobility, bad reload when using its best round, which is an average round performance wise, T-80 armour is also Garbo.
Abrams beats T-80 AND T-90, due to mobility, the best firepower out of all top tier tanks, and good reload
Your only argument for why something is worse is that they have “worse” armour.
Your logic here is incredibly flawed, there are more qualities to a vehicle that matter.
If you don’t believe me, go ask some of the best top tier ground players in the game
Russian side armour is also flat, your point here is exceptionally dumb.
No, because they bounced easily.
Beside, they have those russian ERAs eating DARTs and ATGMs, so there is that.
You can, angle armour in German tanks?
Have you ever played a tiger 1?
You don’t need to angle a russian mid tier tank.
And if you do, you have way better chances to bounce.
This game promotes more aggressive gameplay, this means being able to shoot on the move, good gun handling and fast reloads as well as solid mobility.
Russia does not meet most of these criteria
And that’s why NATO having IFVs which cannot shoot atgms on the move (+ the time needed to deploy the launchers) loose more often at top tier.
Thank you for telling me I’m right.
An L3 can bounce apfsds if you hit the right spot.
Your argument here is still dumb.
A t-34 can move its turret just a little bit, and you’ll still bounce if you aim at its cheeks. Everybody know and experienced that.
11m8s. It illustrates well the problem. Very bouncy.
You have good gun handling, solid reload and solid round with good mobility.
This makes it better than any T-series equivalent at the same br
No.
Reload speed = 6sec (with a loader, otherwise it’s way more), while T-80B is 6sec as well with an autoloader. T-80B “poor” round is enough to pen weak 2A4 armor. T-80B has +/- same mobility than 2A4, especially in short time acceleration (during short range fights. Not talking about top speed or long time acceleration here).
2A4 just sucks compared to russian counterpart, it is a fact
You have good turret armour, good gun handling, the BEST round out of all top tier tanks and better or on par reload with Russians. Better mobility.
Makes all of these tanks better
They suck compared to russian counterparts, for the same reasons.
T-90 is trash, only good side is armour, T-80bvm has ok mobility, bad reload when using its best round, which is an average round performance wise, T-80 armour is also Garbo.
Abrams beats T-80 AND T-90, due to mobility, the best firepower out of all top tier tanks, and good reload
Your only argument for why something is worse is that they have “worse” armour.
Won’t argue that, it seems to me it’s a waste of time. I’ve explained several times in several posts in several threads why armor is always better, anyway.
Try reverse, that’s a very important feature to have for survival.
HSTVL can pen T-90M frontally, does that make the round good? No.
Those reasons being just armour being better?
Seriously man, Google the survivability onion, it applies to war thunder just as well as IRL
Armour is and never has been the primary way of surviving engagements once tanks became more mainstream. This is true IRL and in war thunder.
Why do you think most tanks are built to fire on the move? Be mobile? Reload quickly and have good firepower over armour?
Why do you think heavy tanks stopped being produced after WW2
In the vast majority of cases, the winner of tank on tank engagements is the one who can engage first
I repeat, simply just ask the best top tier ground players. They will tell you pretty much the same thing
Try reverse, that’s a very important feature to have for survival.
Modern russian MBTs are not meant to defend, they’re meant to push. It doesn’t mater if they don’t have a fast reverse speed.
HSTVL can pen T-90M frontally, does that make the round good? No.
What ? Ofc it can pen, it shoots at a weakspot.
It’s all about relative performance, again. As Russia, you don’t need to have the best round, if your poop round can already pen a weak NATO MBT armor.
There is no point to have a good round for russian MBTs, they don’t face strong armors against them
Why do you think most tanks are built to fire on the move? Be mobile? Reload quickly and have good firepower over armour?
Why do you think heavy tanks stopped being produced after WW2
Difference is this is a videogame, with small maps => not the reality, with very very large regions of combat.
People in WT push corners in small maps, not moutains in Afghanistan size or whatever.
You’re right, armor doesn’t mater IRL, but it does ingame.
There is a point, spall, more pen = more spall.
More spall = more damage
More damage means you kill enemy better which means you don’t have to aim as accurately compared to lower pen rounds for pure damage.
Better pen also means weakpoints are larger
The importance of armour, translates quite well into WT, actually armour is less important in wt, ESPECIALLY because it’s a video game.
Aiming for weak points is significantly easier and things like your awareness are significantly better too. In WT we also carry much more Anti-Tank munition than you would IRL.
This all makes armour much less effective than it would irl.
I wouldn’t exactly call the T-80BVM an okish tank with its mobility and the reload is just fine when using 3BM60. The armor is good frontally and ofc not really the case side on because barely any tanks can say they have good side armor.
And yet the mobility of it remains good because acceleration is really good on the thing, the reload may have the 6.4 seconds but remains consistent no matter what due to it being an autoloader. While once the loader in every NATO MBT (Except the Leclercs) dips.
Yet, because it’s an autoloader, you can’t reload the moment it’s damaged and your reload is consistent, meaning everyone knows exactly how long your reload is and whether they beat you or not
