Russian Planes Still Fire Missiles Off After Being Downed For An Entire Minute

[TheBloodRend]

So when are we going to actually force leave people out of a plane instead of letting them float from the sky and still shoot off missiles when they’re on fire the entire way down?

[SFmerc]

Plot twist, imagine if all planes does that , not just russians…

[ItzEmilll-live]

in my experience everybody does that Russian or not.

[Doomboltz]

I love how Russia is the scapegoat for every situation in this game.
Just so you know pretty much every plane can do it, and all of top tier planes have HMD (F-2 being the exception that I can think of but then again you have an eye of sauron on that so whatever), it’s not just Russia…

[SFmerc]

but but but, russian bias. :D

[TheBloodRend]

I’ve only seen the russian planes do it yesterday so forgive me if my statement is made in what only I have witnessed

[Morvran]

There are 2 notable differences though

1. IBRIS radar, it has the largest FoR area of any radar in-game and thus can lock on and fire with the greatest ease, prior to this major update, R-77-1 was one of only 2 properly HOBS capable ARH missiles as well, so the likelyhood of success with the tactic was dramatically higher. After, others like the Typhoon might be able to achieve the same, but low speed AMRAAM launches are extremely poor.

2. Survivability, The sheer size of the Su-30SM2 vs others, usually means that a hit is more likely to soft kill it than any others, sure, a Typhoon, Rafale, etc might loose wing and still be able to fire after taking a missile, but more often than not is dead. Su-30SM2s sheer size means that more often than not, it might be dead, but the pilot isnt forced out, they more than anything else seem to flat spin after being “killed”

The combo makes the Su-30SM2 the worst offender, not the only one, but certainly the worst. Ive seen a Typhoon do it maybe twice, and generally just ignore after I kill them. Su-30SM2s I treat as death spheres and pro-actively defend against after killing them, just incase simply as a force of habbit

But the fix should be applied to all aircraft:

1. model wiring and system damage that would prevent firing after death (they literally added this and then disabled it a week later)

2. Model the G-impact on the pilot from being in a flat spin

3. reduce the threshold for a forced ejection

Any 2, but ideally all 3 would resolve the issue.

[Pheonix_RX01]

Only the F-2 for fighters lacks HMD yup 100% lol

(Only the MLU for Finland has the same equipment as the other 14.0 hornets like the better RWR and HMD.)

(I’d include the OCU but it has IR HMS, and the new French prem F16 iirc just got its radar HMD.)

[TheBloodRend]

The first one on it’s own would dramatically decrease the number of these incidents I saw in just one singular session of trying to play ARB and being generally successful

[Doomboltz]

@Pheonix RX0@live

Only the F-2 for fighters lacks HMD yup 100% lol

Why would anyone play the Sad-18 considering the one that you unlock after that is better in every way at the same BR…
Regardless, it’s easier to count which top tier planes “don’t” have HMD than the other way around. F-2 is a notable example of a capable fighter without an HMD.

[Pheonix_RX01]

Because some of us were told get bent and only had the F-18C on release against the superior US model and gaijin ignored literally any and all suggestions like making it an actual unique Finnish hornet to be on par with the US model.

[Poll] Finnish F-18C to be updated to MLU 1

As it stands right now the Finnish F-18C is the same BR as the US model which has HMD which is fairly useful for selecting targets in a pinch. My suggestion is to give the F-18C the MLU 1 upgrades for HMD and IFF (if necessary skip IFF, the vehicle isnt even historically accurate anyways so why be bothered now) this would give Finland a decent and on par option to the US F/A-18/C Late on the US which also has access to A2G. Removing HMD and keeping the Finnish Hornet at 14.0 makes little sense a…

[Venndigo7192]

This is easily solved by something gaijin was testing, where some aircraft systems had a chance to be destroyed when the aircraft was hit. like, HMS, radar, the fire control system in general. if an aircraft is falling with both wings gone it is probable that it cannot use those systems, all gaijin has to do is expand the aircraft that have that model. right now I think it is only on the A-10C

[Morvran]

It was added to everything, if the fuselage took enough damage, then it would “model” electrical systems being damaged, and then they removed it about a week later

What was added:

@Stona_WT

A new mechanic that has a chance of disabling various onboard electronic systems when an aircraft fuselage is damaged by a single high-damage for rank VII-VIII aircraft and their variants at rank VI has been added. The chances of systems getting disabled vary from system to system and depend on the type and amount of damage received.

It being basically removed:

@Stona_WT

• For rank VII–VIII aircraft without the detailed avionics damage model (no new electronics modules), on direct hits the following changes were made:
• Avionics and fire-control equipment can no longer be disabled by fragmentation or kinetic damage.
• Avionics and fire-control equipment can no longer be disabled by relatively small HE damage (i.e., less than from a hit by a small‑warhead AAM such as Stinger, or equivalent munitions of other types).
• It is no longer possible to disable all weapons at once.
• HE damage to the fuselage from a hit by a large‑warhead AAM (e.g., AIM‑9 or larger) or equivalent munitions of other types now always disables the use of guided weapons, as well as the radar electronics and the RWR.
• Blast damage from a hit by a small‑warhead AAM or equivalent munitions of other types has a chance greater than 50% to disable the use of guided weapons, and a separate chance greater than 50% to disable the radar electronics and RWR.
• The chance to disable other systems from blast damage caused by hits from any AAM or equivalent munitions of other types has been reduced (down to 30%).