Russian MBTs: Firepower and Protection versus NATO counterparts

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I’m sorry, but if you are so incredibly uninformed that you don’t even know whether a T-80BVM can UFP a Leopard 2A7V, why are you commenting on this topic at all?

This is the equivalent of me heading over to NASA and confidently telling them what their rockets are capable of.

This is simply nonsense.

NATO tank without loader = 2 dead crew.
2 dead crew on Russian MBT = Dead tank.

They reload slow no matter what*

  1. Type 10: 4s
  2. Leclercs: 5s
  3. M1’s: 5.3s
  4. Leo 2’s: 6.4s
  5. Merkava’s: 6.4s
  6. Arietes: 6.4s
  7. T-80U’s, T-80BVM’s: 6.5s
  8. ZTZ-99’s, T-72’s, VT-4’s, T-90’s: 7.1s
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and this is all hearsay as i’ve talked to actual gunners / tank commanders who have crewed the abrams, you people have no idea what the f you’re talking about.

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YEAH IT CAN, there was a video of a t80 in ukraine and it was firing rounds off every 5- 6 seconds. non stop, the video never paused and they kept firing at a building and a trench behind it.

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the entire abrams is lined with spall liners. The turret, the side of the tank, the fuel tanks, even the ammo compartments the LFP. everything has a spall liner.

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There’s an acknowledged bug report already: Community Bug Reporting System

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U didnt give me a source when i was asking for one i can’t just use the “fr trust me”

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At least You have me something i’ll read it out

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This core

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These website sources seems absolutely unreliable but the docs talk about a spall liner not integranted into the armor but apparently a spall liner just in general, maybe even a ceramic spall liner, but havent seen any mention of a Kevlar spall liner nor tankist have mentioned a visible spall liner wich means it’s more probable than not that it either is a ceramic spall liner or a spall miner covered behind ceramics bur he second one seems rather specific

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Real, worse of all is that its more common than not lol

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The actual reload of the T-80U, UK, UM2, U (sweden), BVM, Anyhting U model and newer has a reload of 6.0 secs.

On the Sep V3 perhaps it has spall liners around the crew compartment, definitely not around the ammo, fuel, etc.

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because its classified. I don’t know why you think people are just going to tell you stuff to suit your needs lol

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bro i don’t know what wrong with most of you eastern block people, but the U.S has been putting spall liners around the crew compartments since the M60s when the abrams came around the entire tank is lined. We actually care about our crews lol

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Specialistman send me a Bug report with documents that arent classified and with good info You didnt do anything who do You think i trust more huh?, at least he took the time to search and didnt blindly claim stuff without anything to back it up

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If so, then surely you’ve at least a single photo showing that M1s crew compatment is fully clad in them, and can show it to us.

:)

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i dont care if you don’t or do trust me. im not leaking classified data. i know this is something thats hard for you to comprehend, but some of us don’t want to be sitting in a cold cell in the USDB or have other people get in trouble just for knowing or talked to you in the past 5 years.

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i mean its woven into the armor package. i don’t know whats wrong you people or why we have to keep typing this. Im literally one of the first people that said this lol and no one believed me years ago.

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The reload rate from cyclograms was cancelled for the matter of disagreement and not balance matter.
And it does matter, as even if they wont implement it they will know they can implement it any moment.
I know all reload is balance factor.

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Man is not classified, ur just lying to save yourself the trouble of Even searching, this was in an active Bug report and didnt took specialist much to find it, You always do this man and expect everyone to believe you

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