Russian MBTs: Firepower and Protection versus NATO counterparts

What the hell are you even on about, did you forget how this all even started?

The BVM was picked because it was related to this

Its literally a weakspot, who wouldnt shoot a spot if it has the highest chance of penetration?
Do you go around aiming for the most armored places or something?

The spot is just finicky, especially in an actual match where you usually have to take shots in a hurry sometimes
In this moment, youd have a higher chance of hitting a bad spot on the BVM rather than the abrams or leo
Hell, i wouldnt even aim for the driver on leos because how easy it is to go trough the gun breach instead + i prefer going down the center

I’d like to clarify that imagine is just false. The entire UFP is 50/50 and will either bounce a shot, or penetrate it. I wouldn’t make it green on a chart. The green areas around the gun also won’t reliably penetrate.

Also Russian mains are nowhere near as annoying as other nations mains. Plus, if you can’t reliably kill a Russian tank, you should probably learn to aim better.

same goes as if you or any RU main can’t kill 122 or 2A7V they should learn to aim better soooo
same logic same standard it fair right?
or we using different logic around here because they suffer from no gun depression and reverse gear?

They are harder to kill on average than Russian tanks, especially due to spall liners.

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And? more excuse again?

T-90M also had it
it look like by your logic
if RU main can’t kill Strv122 or 2A7V it’s not skills issue it’s fine
but if one can’t kill Russian tanks are?

Yes, in some areas but we have diligently reported real issues… whether or not they’re fixed completely is a different story. MiG-23 turn rate for example.

On the flip side, it’s not one sided. The American stuff overperforms in much the same ways… F-16 for example.

You’re so silly lol

This issue exists on nearly every tank in-game in a variety of places. Remember the German driver’s port issue on the Tiger?

To be fair comparing the 122A vs the T-80BVM is like comparing the IPM1 to the Leopard 2A7HU.
All of the Leopards with the composite plate on the upper front plate are nearly impossible to one shot frontally or in the side right now, especially when they’re moving or at distance. Most Russian tanks have two massive free kill weak points frontally that result in a single hit kill.

I’m still performing better in the Russian tanks… which begs the question - why? It’s because while the percentage of the front that is a “weak spot” is larger… players generally are too scared to aim for them for some reason and tend to just lob rounds at your gun because it’s safer to just take your ability to shoot away than it is to miss and get a return shot to the face… the issue is then that the Russian breech is much smaller and harder to hit to begin with so they miss regardless.

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I can include roof armor too:

Your post means nothing.

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Im at school using my phone so ill just be quick

While related to your point, im refeering specifically to the driver section

No, i dont think its russian bias

Yes, i’m aware that it can happen to other vehicles but maybe not as frequently based on the armor layout, design and size, especially in an battle

You didn’t aim for the driver position, you aimed for the hull roof, thus got the hull roof thickness.

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While I know that is a meme, bit disingenuous to not use the other top tier options of Strvs where that front spot becomes just as, if not more red and the Russian mains are completely correct. It IS BS.

I still to this day don’t understand why Russian and American mains spend all day arguing and going at each other. Seemingly everyone(nations) on here goes at each other like crabs in a bucket, while German and Swedish mains at top tier sit in the corner whistling and looking around not to draw attention.

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It seems the zeitgeist of the forums is similar to that of the 80s for some reason.

The germans are arguing about Sweden having the best leos and the incorrect values on their german leos are not getting fixed + french getting leo 2A4, 2A5 and 2A6

The swedes complaints is that the last 3 updates have have been pretty useless for them

1st update:
A weird SPAA that nobody even knew ahout
Premium CV

2nd update:
A low/mid tier heavy tank premium

3rd update
A copy paste squadron vehicle

You mean the area above upper front plate?
i’m aware it not green anymore and those hit those area round either ricochet or shattered and it by design not something BS
shoot the driver hit when it front toward you it likely to OHK
or under the canon

You picked a spot that says it equates to 3k mm, which I know it doesn’t, but that’s just a great example of cherry picked results.
I have never had trouble killing anything but the new Leo’s.

It’s like how all the abrams players kept shooting center mass of upper plate on my T-72B3, one would think that’s not a weakspot

I know how we can balance this. Nerf the mig29 obviously

The cope is insane bro. Did you know the 2s38 is the only tank out of 2 that has external fuel tanks that STILL explode? The other tank was the T-90M

They need to aim better indeed, and do it 3 times in a row considering how much of a black hole leopards are

They can just fix the game by nerfing the R3 and the OTOMATIC again for no reason

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100% can agree. Aim 9m in sim is a good example.

100% agree

Well, it’s not smaller than the Leo’s, but otherwise I agree.

Only thing I disagree with.

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