Russian MBTs: Firepower and Protection versus NATO counterparts

Nope because as documented in this thread some people will go to significant lengths to deny documented performance if it doesn’t suit their argument.

I’d love to see WT running essentially fully modeled with all abilities/tech integrated but as we can see from many parts of the game (FM, reloads, armor performance) it’s just not always entirely possible. Which then requires balancing

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meanwhile Russia main


@SPANISH_AVENGER may i ask to make the update version for me plz

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It’s a meme, because one thing is far more realistic than the other, T-72, T-90, but not the abrams, nor the T-80s
Example: abrams more than likely (supported by data) is reloading too fast, possibly same with other manually loaded tanks.
Example: T-80U and variants low too slow (supported by data)

It mimics exactly what you’re asking for. Also the m1128s have been out in force. I had an entire team of them earlier.
So did a pal of mine.

The T series, leclerc, Type X, etc all are mechanical, I cannot say for certain they are all correct though.

Ah, definitely, not like Germany or USA dont. Maybe if USA players stuck around for more than one life, they’d have a good game and better wr.

Because human loaders can provide inconsistent reloads, or data which doesn’t support your narrative? If @MiG_23M would gladly demonstrate a combat load that is 5 secs I would agree but he hasn’t.

Remember to include the part of the drivers view where the armor suddenly turns into 1000+ mm of armor
it’s so beautiful

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If we are going that far, let’s include Leo external fuel tanks that will eat 1200mm pen ATGMs, or 600 pen APFSDS.

Nor is any tank low enough to hit the angle you provided.

See, perfect demonstration of what I was saying.

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Because… auto loaders… generally reload at the same rate?
I know WT doesn’t model it, but fatigue is another thing, along with what the combat conditions are like can affect manual loaders.

It’s not a hard concept to understand.

Fuel tanks are RNG for most vehicles and isn’t restricted to Leos, have had the same stuff happen against multiple different vehicles

Well, i do find it rather uncommon for 2 tanks to be facing each other on perfectly flat ground for the angle to always be the same, so going middle is usually the better option in my opinion + the barrel would get in the way since i can’t move it around in protection analysis

But since you want me to raise it and try to avoid the barrel, i guess i can
is this better?

I could find various angles that all do the same on other tanks. I don’t see your point.

As for fuel tanks, my rng in anything Soviet or Italian it seems they just explode

And those angles being from the front aimed at the driver port? i’d like to check that out myself, which tanks would that be?

the RNG doesn’t favor you, clearly
Have shot 2S38s multiple times in the front just for the shell to be taken out by the fuel tank without it exploding



I set a better angle than I probably should’ve, I’m pretty sure the T series are shorter than this. But wow look, other tanks do funky things too

Abrams:
Come on, at that point you’re intentionally missing the the very obvious driver port that’s just begging to be shot, who’d aim towards the side like that?
also, ricochets can still penetrate, i’ve done this to them a few times by accident, but i actually try to keep my aim centered unlike this shot

Leos:
800-ish with “low” pen possibility and 1-5k impossible pen is actually a rather huge difference

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You cherry picked the worst spot to hit…

I picked the first spot I saw. I can get a worse one to prove your argument makes no sense. All mbts other than the Ariete have troll spots. Hell, the abrams LFP doesn’t even spall 75% of the time.

Which ones, the one i recreated from your pics or my previous ones?

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I know that the Type 10s and Strv 103s reload much slower compared to IRL. The Strv can reload around 2.8 seconds, while the Type 10 can reload in around 3 seconds iirc.

The Leclerc recently got its historical reload, which is faster than what it used to have.

That happens on basically any tank, right there you’re just hitting the hull roof.

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Yeah i’m aware
But chances of it happening on other tanks does seem to be a good bit lower, od assume its because of the layout/size

The most similiar none USSR/Russian vehicle would probably be the chinese mbts but its either ricochet or low pen on those, doesnt yet the same protection

That’s what I’m trying to tell him lol.

But @Arctic-Fox clearly doesn’t get there are odd spots on every tank. It’s not subjugated a single nation, but he did cherry pick the T-80BVM weak spot, and nobody would ever shoot there.

Really depends on the tank. I see it happen a ton on Panthers, Tigers, Pz IVs, T-34s, Kv-1s, Leopard ones, and anything with metal sideskirts, horizontal armoured areas, or overlapping armoured plates.

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@Arctic-Fox

Great example of an abrams doing weird things.