Russian MBTs: Firepower and Protection versus NATO counterparts

[Ion_Protogen]

@ltl_Chiller

the Leopard can not penetrate the T-80 or T-90 or whatever

Have you tried aiming for weakspots?

@ltl_Chiller

A Leopard 2A7V can not penetrate the upper front plate of a T-80BVM and NO this is not because of the ERA

It is because of the ERA.

[ltl_Chiller]

Its funny you left out the part where I wrote “upper front plate”

Yes I have tried aiming for weakspots and it works
It is still easier to just “shoot anywhere” to destroy an enemy tank wouldn’t you agree?

No it is not because of ERA I have tested it

[UnHolySausage]

i really really doubt this is a thing unless you have documents explicitly talking about this

[Zyranovos]

@SpeclistMain1

Carousel stops moving at 4.84 seconds, and the white arm thing stopped moving at 9.84, so 5.00 seconds. The issue is that the carousel still has to move to the next round, so at minimum another second or so would need to be added.

I’ve heard a rumor it can be “overclocked” but when switching directly from APFSDS, the round is simply the next one over, the ejected casing stud is held by an arm, when the load arm fills with hydraulic fluid to extend, the extends and loads the round, then drops the casing stud into that position the loaded round came from, then recedes to the bottom of the hull. I’d say 5.6 is pretty realist as of in game right now though.

If this helps explain some of it:

[RycotSS]

If we would start to add overclocked autoloaders then you better be ready for some major rebalancing. The Type-10 can fire every ~1.5 seconds, the Leclerc every ~2.2 seconds and the Strv 103 every ~1.2 seconds when overclocked IIRC. It would be better not to open that can of worms.

[Zyranovos]

2.8 on the 103

Shameless plug:

Strv 103 autoloader mechanism in depth explaination

So, I’ve always wondered how the autoloader works from a mechanical standpoint, and a game standpoint, and will explain a few things about the ammo and how it’s actually slightly, and almost completely different from the standard L7 guns shells because of how much they are battered around, they need to be modified to keep from misfires. Here is the “schematic” of the loader Magazine [image] The “schematic” of the lift system itself [image] So the system itself is rather crude to be honest…

[AK_Awful_Waffle]

@RycotSS

If we would start to add overclocked autoloaders then you better be ready for some major rebalancing. The Type-10 can fire every ~1.5 seconds, the Leclerc every ~2.2 seconds and the Strv 103 every ~1.2 seconds when overclocked IIRC. It would be better not to open that can of worms.

Yeah if we discuss “over clocked” autoloaders, any argument about lap loading is far out the window 🤣

[ARK_BOI]

Ever think that would happen if western tanks like real life counterparts?
You should considering as lucky that L27A1 and DM53 don’t have anti ERA in the game (which it had irl)

[UniqueScorpions]

Super incorrect. Leo2a7V, Leo2a7U, and the Sweden Strv 121B+ are by far the most survivable tanks.

[Ibash_Aminoas]

This should be included in Gaijin game roadmap. @Smin1080p_WT

[Ibash_Aminoas]

@AK_Awful_Waffle

over clocked

there is already an example in the game: type 10

[Necrons31467]

@ltl_Chiller

A T-80 BVM can penetrate the upper front plate of a Leopard 2A5 (A6, PSO and A7V[?])

I’m sorry, but if you are so incredibly uninformed that you don’t even know whether a T-80BVM can UFP a Leopard 2A7V, why are you commenting on this topic at all?

This is the equivalent of me heading over to NASA and confidently telling them what their rockets are capable of.

@ltl_Chiller

Also western tanks only reload faster with ace crew

This is simply nonsense.

@ltl_Chiller

and reload much slower without loader

NATO tank without loader = 2 dead crew.
2 dead crew on Russian MBT = Dead tank.

@ltl_Chiller

they reload fast no matter what

They reload slow no matter what*

1. Type 10: 4s
2. Leclercs: 5s
3. M1’s: 5.3s
4. Leo 2’s: 6.4s
5. Merkava’s: 6.4s
6. Arietes: 6.4s
7. T-80U’s, T-80BVM’s: 6.5s
8. ZTZ-99’s, T-72’s, VT-4’s, T-90’s: 7.1s

[sartt]

and this is all hearsay as i’ve talked to actual gunners / tank commanders who have crewed the abrams, you people have no idea what the f you’re talking about.

[sartt]

YEAH IT CAN, there was a video of a t80 in ukraine and it was firing rounds off every 5- 6 seconds. non stop, the video never paused and they kept firing at a building and a trench behind it.

[sartt]

the entire abrams is lined with spall liners. The turret, the side of the tank, the fuel tanks, even the ammo compartments the LFP. everything has a spall liner.

[SpeclistMain1]

There’s an acknowledged bug report already: Community Bug Reporting System

[UnHolySausage]

U didnt give me a source when i was asking for one i can’t just use the “fr trust me”

[UnHolySausage]

At least You have me something i’ll read it out

[Zyranovos]

This core

[UnHolySausage]

These website sources seems absolutely unreliable but the docs talk about a spall liner not integranted into the armor but apparently a spall liner just in general, maybe even a ceramic spall liner, but havent seen any mention of a Kevlar spall liner nor tankist have mentioned a visible spall liner wich means it’s more probable than not that it either is a ceramic spall liner or a spall miner covered behind ceramics bur he second one seems rather specific