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You do realize that Ka-52 is as fragile as any other helicopter right?
The only CV9040 fitted with the fire control system capable of IR-tracking was the SPAA variant we have in-game. The rest don’t have that.
The T-80BVM was never the best MBT. It was used by skilled players, that’s all. T-80BVM does not have anywhere close to small weakspots. The entire turret of BVM is a weakspot, just shoot around the poorly placed ERA.
Pretty much anything besides the FnFs are all trash now. Spaa or planes will erase you before you have a chance
Armor definitely isn’t what it should be. I’ve been killed from the front by 30mm autocannons, so I’d say in the current state is definitely a net negative.
Yeah that’s a benefit but the problem lies when you see how your ammo belts can get easily shot out, thus rendering you useless. You’ll still be alive, but with 0 darts and 0 Spikes, which is a J-out moment in plenty of cases.
Shame it can’t protect against darts, but it’s useful when baiting out ATGMs from helicopters.
I don’t think Namers should be higher than Freccia or Spike Puma, so putting them down to 10.3/10.7 respectively would be fine imo.
It also reloads faster than T-72B so it can go to 10.7. But I think 11.0 would be a bit too much for 80UD.
Still very chonky and it took a lot of time for the missile to arrive (a lot of time for the target to move in a real match or to shoot down the missiles), it is a great helicopter, probably top 2, the chonkines and the speed of spikes still there.
Yeah, my bad, I refer about proxy HE shells.
Maybe but if you take on count what an Ifv can do, the only thing that comes close to the efectivnes of 2s38 is the hstvl.
US helis are pretty good in PVP. I personally enjoy the unguided rockets playstyle personally because it brings the most fun for me. But for general top tier gameplay the best goes to the AH-1Z and followed by the AH-64D. None of that matters though because the best heli in the tree is the AH-6M Littlebird.
And no…the Israel AH-60 is not even top 3 for PVP. You try flying like in that test drive and you wont make it far I assure you in GRB . For PVP aspects and only PVP the KA-50/52 are in my opinion the best of all trees due to their ability to fight other helis with their missiles much more reliably than anything the US has to offer and because of their extremely potent and very accurate gun that you can spawn with amazing rounds for at the start. Its also one of if not most durable helis in game without debate.
KH-38 was firstly added with Su-25SM3 which let’s be honest is a free kill to any top tier jet.
Strv 122A and B were added before BVM.
122A was added like a year before BVM.
Their MBT dominance is now approaching half a decade, which is quite impressive for a minor nation.
You´re right, my bad, yet, when the bvm was added became the best or top 2 mbt due the wierd damage model that still a thing today (it was even worse due the autoloader thing) That is why I say that today T90m or bvm still at top 3.
Yeah, easy kill TO ANY TOP TIER JET" aa couldn´t do anything against it, and if there was a pantsir covering their skies it was more anoying, even if it gets killed it can just spam 4 kh38s and get 3-4 free kills in an open map, from there they had just put more effective planes that can carry it.
Yes, you can do similar things outside aa range with mavericks or guided bombs, but the speed and the explosive charge is what makes the difference.
I watched my buddy frontally kill a T26e1 a few days ago in the Ostwind 2 with an HE round… I’m still puzzled to this day.
I only agree if they finally fix the reload, to make it 6.0 secs for all the T-80Us
T-90m may be 4th at best, BVM 5th at best. They take too long to reload vs how everyone bum rushes in game.
Also people think it’s a bad damage model because they don’t get how it works.
ERA is individual not all one plate, propel think hitting 1 plate is all that counts, when they are usually hitting 2-6+ plates of ERA
I mean, every tank can make a “gaijin momento” when a shell that should penn just do a hit.
And yeah, not the greatest tank of all, but is how the game works that make their damage model so anoying, it is just a lottery and it is not an issue of aiming better cause one have to aim better but the other one has to point center mass.
You guys actually rank the 90M above the BVM?
Reverse and AZ autoloader alone gives it a disadvantage
Since when was the hstvl an IFV?
Since when was 2S38 an IFV?
Even then, it’s a moot point because War Thunder doesn’t distinguish between tank destroyers, IFVs, light tanks, and SPAA for the light tank class.
I have made a post requesting an Ammo Box for the Namer before stating this exact thing.
Wish it wasn’t bugged though. It’s not working well right now.
Agreed.
The only issue that the vehicle has is its rear mobility and lack of thermals, which the T-72B3 struggles with as well. No vehicle at 9.7 should fight it either. My T-80UM2 also lacks thermals and has an APS and dominates that BR bracket. The engine might make it slower than other T-80U models overall, but it hardly matters with that ERA.
These tanks are horrible in War Thunder. Spike is useless and AC based tanks are very weak outside of a select few that are legit 2.0 br lower and fight different enemy types.
Lol. The Namer is complete garbage, it’s not even worth 9.3. Therefore, the BMP-2M could even go down.
This is why I love this forum, take break 5-6 weeks, come back and hundreds more comedy posts like this one.
Ammo box should be helpful but it still doesn’t fix the flaw this vehicle has in WT. It stores all ammo in the turret to protect the crew, so all of your extra ammo will get shot out just as easily.
I’d say BR reduction should be more impactful.
Plenty of vehicles there have DM23 120mm equivalent in penetration so I don’t see why not. 80UD doesn’t look on par with 90A to me.
It’s very similar to T-72B (1989) but gets better reload and acceleration.
First shot was weird but as it didn’t even trigger the ERA I can’t pin it to K5.
As for other two shots, I don’t know if ERA gets better when angled, but even in the protection analysis M774 struggles to pen the sides at similar angles, which in return creates very little post pen damage.
I think this comes down to M774 being sub par when facing ERA with some KE protection.
I haven’t really experienced that weird damage model all that often to be honest. I’ve been tracking the shots that went through the autoloader and disabling it. Guess what, my dart passed through the empty part of it and didn’t hit any ammo.
I can tell you from experience that the T-80UD is better than the T-90A.
Better reload, better armor, better traverse, better nearly everything.
Kontakt-5 and Relict are the only ERA in-game to have this issue. No other ERA does this.
Which is why it does not belong there.
The T-80UM2 also gets Svinets and a better reverse. It’s much better than the UD.
The Pakistani UD is also 10.7 with Gen 2 thermals. So Gaijin won’t put them at the same BR.
