@MR_BOOMBASTICc
It’s obvious you’re replying to the wrong person.
1- I never said BMPT wasn’t OP.
2- I never said 4 ready missiles, and 2 auto cannons.
So you either responded to the wrong person, or you moved the goalposts and invented a strawman to argue against. Which you could’ve just done by talking to yourself IRL instead of arguing against your own invented arguments on a forum.
That doesn’t matter, you are saying BMPT has 9.3 offensive capabilities. I’m saying you’re wrong. Ok you didn’t say BMPT is OP, then what is the solution?
Here is what you’re claiming is wrong: 800mm penning missiles, and APDS cannon.
Type 89: Superior APDS cannon, and 700mm penning missiles.
BMP-3 at 9.3: Identical APDS performance, and 800mm penning missiles.
BTR-3E1 at 9.0: Identical APDS performance, and 800mm penning missiles.
Desert Warrior is 9.7 now, gets APFSDS.
The thing that makes BMPT strong is the armor, which is why the cross analysis focused on that and why I demanded it be moved up based on that cross analysis.
To explicitly state the thing you claim is wrong:
That cross analysis was made to prove that 10.3 was incorrect, and that a minimum BR of 11.3 was necessary based on precedent of other asymmetric equivalent vehicles.
The cross analysis was correct, because Gaijin moved the BMPT up proving it correct, and the 10.3 BR incorrect.
So do you think it was wrong to move the BMPT up? Or are you ready to acknowledge that the cross analysis had teeth?
There are consequences to opposing things blindly without researching the thing you’re opposing.
Switch to your second barrel it’s faster then waiting for the overheat LMAOOOO still on a killer win streak
PS: those dead tanks I wiped the floor in secs
None of those has 4 missiles or 2 autocannons
Not only that buts its combo of great armor, armament, crappy modeling, and other specs
Why would I think its wrong that the bmpt went up? Your dodging my questions. Cross analysis is still not the best way to compare vehicles.
Still saying bmpt having 9.3 armament is absurd. It should go up to 12.7.
So far, your BMPT performance is within margin of error to your… Type 10, TKX, T-90M, Type 90s… wild, Merkava Mk2B…
I’m expecting 3:1 KDR from you in BMPT.
I never made that claim so it’s not my responsibility to acknowledge, that quoted material is a movement of goalposts, and I’m not going to argue your personal demands for you. You can speak for yourself rather than trying to push others to speak for you.
While Challenger 2 and T-80U are better tanks than BMPT… uhuh.
Yeah, and I got a nuke using Challenger Mk3 at 12.7 as well.
The decompression at top ground is funny.
No, what I’m saying is BMPT is on a 10 win streak currently at 12.7. This tank in competent hands is unfixable.
The tank in competent hands loses to a Challenger 2 in equally skilled hands.
And in some cases, BMPT players that are more skilled than I still end up losing to Chally 2 because Chally 2 has a lethality advantage over BMPT.
I can pen more spots on BMPT than it can pen on I.
Of course Abrams it’s decently even due to Abrams’ poorer hull performance against 800mm HEAT munitions, so there’s less room to make errors in Abrams than Chally 2 against BMPT.
sir I have a 10 win streak and clapped I’m telling you competent hands you will lose.
11* I’m going to move this to BMPT topics instead
Wins are a team skill matter, and their abilities to control the map.
Even just from a pure offensive capability standpoint, the BMPT is vastly better than its 9.3 counterparts. Add on that it gets an unmanned turret with a massive amount of protection against getting fully ammo racked, a resupply box, equal or better thermals, and a very fast single-missile rearm time, and it’s not comparable at all to those 9.0-10.0 “equivalents”.
it’s even more sad when you compare the greater picture of AC vehicles. The Namers/Eitan get the same 30mm bushmaster that you can get at 9.3 with literally no additional benefit to the guns themselves while sitting at the same 11.3 BR. Instead of 4 ready to launch beam riding ATGMs, you get 2 spikes (which you can’t even use at close range on the Eitan and Tsrikhon). You also lose ALL of your ammo if you get ammo racked, which can be done with a single 30mm round from the BMPT.
You miss the first shot (or don’t even have a shot available) and then the BMPT kills your barrel and now what? Sure you can pen more spots on it than it can on you, but it can disable you much quicker.
You’re missing the point, either way I am going to present this to the BR BMPT forum instead.
@SLHavoc
Offensive capabilities are the weapons.
Not turret, not armor, in the case of autocannons not inconsequential differences in rate of fire, the weapons… the actual lethality.
T58 has a better fire rate than Type 10, but it doesn’t matter if the offensive capabilities aren’t the same.
BMPT cannons fire one at a time, so moving the goalposts [BMPT’s followers love doing this apparently] to cannon count is meaningless.
“VT1-2 is better than Leopard 2K cause 2 cannons.” despite both firing DM23.
Also “disable me much quicker” relies on them having a faster reaction time than I, which is a skill matter.
If they have more skill than I, I just back off and safely repair.
exactly, therefore saying the statement above does not make sense.
Thats crazy.
Except rate of fire with an autocannon is directly related to the lethality of the weapon system. There is a reason why the trashmaster is called such, while the pen is better on paper, it has less than half the ROF of the BMPT/BMP2M. So even if you take away all the other stuff the BMPT gets, it still has greatly increased offensive capabilities in comparison to the 9.0-9.7 tanks you claim it’s equivalent to.
Yes, the BMPT only fires 1 cannon at a time but having 2 not only gives redundance, increasing ability to continue to lay down fire during engagements, but it also gives you the option to have a separate ammo selected to broaden engagement variety.
Sure, it’s a skill thing if you’re engaging that BMPT on flat ground with a nice perfect view at it. While it’s sitting hull down? Good luck. While it’s rushing around a corner? Better hope that first shot connects.
You also have 9 games in the 2E and a little over a 150 games in all 3 of the Chally 2s combined with less than 200 kills total.
You say what OP? what is balance? current state?
I’m sure you, there are some of your friendly names here really like to do that.
Huh?
