This is anecdotal evidence. You making claims without any proof is just that, anecdotal evidence.
I can link you the wikipedia page for that aswell if you’d like.
Yes you are. You want another collage of them like the M2K vs 29 post?
All of the sudden you agree that the BMPT needs to be moved up?! Almost like that other post where you were the only one stating that the Mig is better than the Mirage? To then only try to gaslight everyon into believing that you were with the general opnion and the data that backs it up??
@Grossaaaa
Questions are not evidence. Questions have never been evidence.
I used cross analysis to show that BMPT vs Challenger 2 shows Challenger 2 has advantage. I never used experience to come to any conclusions and never will.
Thanks for proving I never said “BMPT is not OP”.
Further proof I never said it’s not OP: The only result on the entire forum is me clarifying my post for others.
Slaughtering BMPTs with Merkava Mk3 and Challenger 2 TES does NOT mean “BMPT is not OP”, it just means that if it is that those MBTs might need to be considered for BR movement as well.
Which to be fair, Leopard 2A4 vs Challenger 2 TES is a rather atrocious disparity in capabilities.
I don’t know why you keep inventing fan-fiction about me.
Oh look, here’s me in December saying that it needs to be at least 11.3:
And the wording error that was fixed: I accidentally typed “extreme” to mean “BR” instead of “BR”.
Statshark shows that you have TWENTY THREE (23) games in total in the Challenger 2 TES, only 12 of which have occurred since the BMPT released.
Statshark shows that you have 147 games in total in the Merkava Mk3, only THREE (3) of those have been since the BMPT released.
Statshark shows that you only have like 230 games IN TOTAL playing any nation besides Russia since the BMPT dropped in Rank 7/Rank 8 tanks.
What BMPTs are you “slaughtering”?
Again, you read what you want and ignore everything else to try to make yourself right. “I never said DIRECTLY BMPT is not OP, I only implied it with the things I said” AlvisGaslight, hero of the WT forums.
@SLHavoc
Me: “BMPT could be 11.7.”
Me: “BMPT could be 12.0 if at least some 11.7 MBTs move up with it.”
How is either of those takes implying BMPT is not OP?
The fact you’re accusing people of malice because we say BMPT can still be moved up is proof enough.
It’s obvious at this stage you’re not here for discussion.
Me: “BMPT can be 11.7 because 2.3 higher than BMP-3 makes sense based on KV-122 to IS-4M. And Challenger 2 TES is easily a good counter to BMPT still.”
“You’re using anecdotes to justify that position!”
Like, argue against my real points.
Don’t argue against strawmen you make up about me.
Either agree with me that BMPT can still be moved up, or actually argue against the real points I made.
And yeah, my KDR in Challenger 2 TES was 0.182:1 prior to me playing it against BMPTs. Shouldn’t have stock ground it in 12.7.
“BaSeD oN mY CrOsS AnAlYsis” doesn’t mean shit, stat cards are pointless and mean nothing in the actual game. There are over 7600 comments in this thread and 99% of them claim the same thing - The BMPT is extremely annoying to kill in game because of how the vehicle is actually modelled. Gajin can say whatever numbers they want on any statcard they want to, it doesn’t mean anything when the game itself doesn’t line up.
Everyone in this entire section has said that the BMPT needs to be moved up, AT LEAST, if not fully removed (if they can’t fix the model). The sad thing is that moving it up in BR doesn’t actually make the BMPT more balanced, it just saves the tanks it currently has to face from having to stress over seeing it.
Nobody here needs to cross analyze the BMPT to understand that it’s a shitshow of a tank that has ruined the entirety of high-top tier. Even playing as Russia is boring as hell most games now because you just walk over the other team unless you roll the unlucky dice of having 10 people on your team who only bring the T80E1 and 1 death leave.
The only point of bringing up MBTs was to showcase that a number of them are stronger, that’s all.
T-80U probably shouldn’t be 11.7.
M1A1 most certainly shouldn’t be 11.7 when Leclerc is 12.7 and both tanks are at least 95% similar in defense and offense.
M1A1 HC most certainly shouldn’t be 12.0 when it’s easily a 12.7 tank in capabilities.
Giving M1A1 HC M829A2 was a mistake.
There’s a reason I do not oppose moving BMPT up. The only opposition I made was 12.7 due to 12.7 MBTs specifically just being objectively better on every front.
I’ve made no comment on 12.3, and still have no thoughts on that.
I’ve been supporting 11.7, and today I’m thinking how to support 12.0.
Leopard 2A4 and M1 Abrams are sitting at 10.7 while firing ammo that have notably difficulties dealing with the following vehicles armor:
BMPT, T-80U, Challenger 2?, M1A1, MBT-2000?, T-90A/S, and T-72B3.
Like… that’s not ideal in the slightest. While L27 makes easy work of BMPT, DM23 definitely does not; Even DM33 will have difficulties.
Thinking about it, BMPT vs Leopard 2A4 is arguably worse than an IS-4M fighting a Tiger 2, and is definitely worse than M4A3E2 fighting a Jagdpanzer 38T [which thankfully can’t happen].
I hope this post helps you understand my thoughts better.
Leclerc is substantially more well defended than the M1A1 mate.
The A1s power lies in it’s firepower not it’s armour.
The M1A2 however has no business being 12.0 same as the HC
L27A1 makes easy work of a BMPT? news to me mate, the DCT 10 struggles with it and it’s better than L27A1 so how does that work.
I shoot BMPTs that same way I’ve been shooting T-series tanks for the last 6 years.
Idler wheel, side armor, LFP… If I can’t see any of those I just move back, choose another flank, or sit around the capture zone I’m protecting.
Because most maps will not force a front-front fight at the high end of BRs. At some point one or both of us will see the other’s side armor.
And while I have bounced off of Abrams SEP2 and BMPT [tech tree] due to server frequency/overlapping plates, things have been consistent.
Maybe front-front fights for you are more common, but I haven’t come across them anywhere common enough myself cause I’m so use to positioning myself in a way that just naturally prevents that.
Well it was a time when the game designers realised what we have always known with Russian tanks.
They are not very good, sitting the crew on unprotected ammo is idiotic, the mobility is not good enough and cramped conditions means a penetrating shot will kill all the crew.
Gaijin then went and did everything they could to make Soviet/Russian tanks competitive.
Didn’t spall liners get nerfed after a while? they were considered OP at launch as far as i remember
And while they are still good, they are kinda redudant when there’s a giant turret basket that tends to get hit in most cases, you also can’t aim towards the rear anymore on these tanks as you got some mandatory +5 elevation once you go past like 185° which will completely mess up a lot of your survival chances if someone manages to get within that limit
because of course a content creator is gonna say he got 3 games and 3 nukes, Oddbawz is a few things, hes a good player for a start so this vehicle which is ofc broken will serve him extremely well. two hes a content creator so he’s not gonna show you times he rolled out his spawn and got popped, he’ll just put the good videos together, it’s literally what they do. Three he’s been a firm disbeliever of russian bias for a very very long time, and has always leaned into the poor coding / mechanics of the game.
So try take it with a pinch of salt as this vehicle has caused massive controversy and naturally the CCs want to create click-bait to make people watch their videos etc.
