ZSU’s missile has literally that single advantage over the current Stinger, meanwhile it has loads of cons, so saying Stinger isn’t way better overall is quite a bit wrong.
So yeah, if you solely engage planes from 0-500m away that are flying perpendicular to you then ZSU’s Igla is better.
There are definitely a multitude of common scenarios where the Stinger falls well short of what it should be, especially where you don’t have a solely retreating of approaching target to deal with. Which is much more useful for a conventional “SAM-bush” tactics, and performing wide area defense.
I’d love to by buying rope from you by the meter, at those distances even guns are going to struggle.
It’s the ~1.8-4 km, and beyond that there is still the Strela as an option which even the later Stingers don’t hold a candle to, as they are and even then still have sub-par kinematics in comparison even if they were faithfully modeled.
I was comparing it to the Igla found on the ZSU.
At those ranges Stingers are still better than what ZSU’s Igla offers.
Remember, Strela sits at 10.3 while Stingers can be found as low as 9.3.
And as high as? Don’t forget it’s basically the only option that many nations have in that range, it shouldn’t only be a comparison on the low end, it does after all have to pull double duty.
Since we don’t get access to systems like the FIM-43 Redeye or early / man-portable Strelas (though with the recent multi-crew additions it’s certainly an interesting option (e.g. BFAS / M6 linebacker being able to deploy dismounted launchers crews) to fill out the need for lower spec BR 8.X SAM options).
10.3 I believe ?
Some have inferior systems at 9.3/9.7, while others do at 10.3 but that’s sadly an effect from having so many different nations and BRs to cater to.
Those types of people were still claiming Russian Bias in Patch 1.81 with the IPM1/M1/AH-1Z’s sitting on a global 75-80% winrates and utterly demolishing every single match for months on end.
Don’t worry, that just was a “funni oopsie” from Gaijin, nothing to see there.
It’s only bias when a specific country they don’t like have something good, otherwise it’s all good and fine.
Outperformed how exactly?
Wow, they’re still immune after 2.7 years of having the feature? Who would’ve guessed?
They’re still bad helicopters for the SPAA present.
Rohnin is an average player and he’s more than welcome to be. Don’t statshame others.
If bias was real Rohnin would be better than your claims because he’s not maining Soviets.
@Whisloy
There is not and has never been Russian bias or USA bias or et cetera.
People when they find out I like female snipers. “Is this man a Russia defender?”
No, I just like the female form you weirdos. [Not directed at anyone I am replying to.]
They are not…
You neither have the Mi-28NM nor the new Z-10ME which is not a surprising considering the opinions you have.
Doesn’t also help the fact that the Z-10ME as a global KD of 2.0 which is much higher than the Ka52, and other FnF helicopters.
For a helicopter that requires LOS, and uses one of the the worst guidance system for AGM it is somehow one of the best in the game. I wonder why?
I’ve been facing Ka-52s and Mi-28NMs for years as well as using the Ka-52/50 for years.
The tests were extensively ran, and the datamines are 100% correct.
Keep claiming everyone [including yourself] are wrong for stating basic reality.
You and I are do not have wrong information no matter how many times you claim otherwise.
Helicopters are not immune to radar missile SPAA and never have been.
Correct, but they are unrealistically good against PD radars since gaijin doesn’t model the rotors signature realistically.
Against IR missiles, the Mi-28NM and Z-10ME can counter all of them.
stating basic reality which is what exactly? You have made statements which you think are fact but you haven’t made any reasoning to back up you claim.
Ever heard of standing still and sticking low to the ground?
Correct.
But for some reason I have the wrong information for stating all these basic facts.
Apache, Ka-52, and Mi-28NM are useful vehicles when SPAA does not exist in the match to deal with them.
However, when SPAA is available on maps that aren’t similar to Carpathians or Sinai, all of them lack F&F munitions to resist the SPAA.
Especially if the helicopters stand still making it easier to hit them.
War Thunder does not record custom matches, and coincidentally the screenshot shows 1 death for 5 frags which tells Honda that I know how to play helicopters.
That one death was also on Sinai where I died to… a SPAA. Shocked face
This is true.
Their effectiveness falls off a cliff when a capable AA shows up as they’re still non-FnF helicopters.
i’ve had the IRIS-T SL for a few weeks and 9X for at least a week, you’re just as bad at stalking as you are at WT
and ignoring the fact i’ve checked replays, the launcher has a much better perspective on LDIRCM effectiveness than the target due to survivorship bias - though i’m not even going to try and explain that concept to a russian main
same caliber same round same gun ones in russian tree
they’re immune to all IR including the ones resistant to lasers
they’re immune to radar missiles unless they have a lot of velocity (goes for all helis)
vikhr is fast enough to surprise even attentive VT1 players
vikhr fantasy dual fuze can still intercept a VT1 (even though they pretended this was fixed years ago)
meanwhile FnF missiles are slow, get distracted by wrecks within 50m, and the pantsir easily tanks PARS and spikes hits
That’s just untrue. They’re not bad against PD radars because gaijin models stuff poorly, but any heli is very easily killed by any radar missile (SARH or ARH). I’ve tested it and an Mi-28NM is a free kill to an R-24R, and I’m sure it is to any other air based SARH missile.
Confirmation bias.
