Yep, spot-on mate. Hit the side of a KV1 turret with a 17 pounder, @ 10m and zero deflection; made a lovely hole dead centre. Before me even taking a breath it blew me up. Happens 75% of the time. Guess what…the bias spreads to ships also.
Shoots T-80BVM in the lower front plate, directly hitting a shell (doesnt ammorack)
T-80BVM shoots my barrel (that just fired a dart) ➞ my tank gets ammoracked
Unfortunately CR2 is not immune to ammo cooke-off and those armored bins does not work like blow-out-panels on the Abrams/Leopard 2. In a conflict that shalla not be named, there are pictures of CR2 with dislocated turret exactly from the ammo blowing up.
Also the additional NERA/ERA block on some NATO tank ware installed after the expirience with urban fighting and shaped charge munitions in the second gulf war, not tank on tank combat. So they’re designed with chemical munitions in mind, not kinetic like the soviet/russian ERA.
God the overhyping of the T-90M will never end.
Im aware it’s not fool proof we have evidence of ammunition detonations on near enough all NATO tanks
While it is not designed purely for kinetic protection it is designed to withstand any 30mm autocannon projectile which includes 30mm APFSDS. From PUMAs and BMPS…In game though…
Relikt side plates combined with 4S24 ERA are overperforming as they act as a catch all and that simply isn’t the case.
Much like we have CR2, Leopard 2 and M1s detoanting from ammunition cook off we also have many cases of this happening to Russian tanks. In game though the ERA is far too effective and based on what we have whitnessed it simply isn’t the case.
I feel like this whole “russian ammo doesnt detonate when hit” comes mainly from the different propellant/ammo layouts in the autoloaders and them being covered with the armor around the autoloader that eats all spall and is conveniently exactly the thickness on the cutoff of creating spall to not creating any itself but eating all spall created at the hull. While it can be annoying to miss the propellant of a t90 m by 10 cm, having your dart pass through the whole autoloader and penetrators, disable the autoloader (somehow t-series dont have a turret basket and everythin in there is just sitting on a autoloader thats floating in the air or sth) and do nothing else, for most of the russian tanks (t90s, t72s) that otherwise have terrible mobility, bad darts and bad reloads this kind of survivability is their only saving grace. If every hit to the side would be an auto kill they most likely would perform even worse and no one would want to play them, whether thats realistic or not. IMO it would onl be fair if they at least got a turret basket like the endlessly nerfed leos and abrams
For me it feels like, yes the russian mbts are hold w tanks. Rush in fast URAAAAA and just run into them, forcing the enemies to wiff shots because of short reaction times, because all russian mbts are much worse at playing slow and controlled or holding forward or any positions than the fast reloading and fast relocating mbts of other nations (usable ofc, but youre disadvantaged at that playstyle). and despite the t80 bvm and maybe just maybe the t90m also worse at sniping. So u gotta force the enemies to make mistakes. The times when russia top tier was dominating was always when endless hordes of good t80/t90m players were just rushing and pushing every position and just swarmed enemies on the flanks or objectives making it impossible to deal with all of them. if our frontal armor profile (and side armor to autocannons) combined with smaller weakspots (cause tanks are smaller in total) is basically you only upside youre sort of having to use it i think. If the enemies play accordingly and hold angles, hear you coming and know whats going on you can have a very hard time to succeed in using this “tactic”
As it is at the moment with a lot of good players that know the maps, that know the positions they need to go to and hold playing germany (and they respawn, what a miracle, basically no one leaves after one or two deaths and they move back onto the map and go back into positions and dont just sit behind the first hill at spawn) that is very hard to do. Relying on enemies making mistakes and missing shots just doesnt work if they don’t miss shots. and then youre facing tanks with an equally strong frontal armor profile but better darts and faster reloads. I think from the last 30 matches playing top tier germany maybe 2 or 3 were a loss and a lot of them was germany vs everyone else. Ofc combined and probably caused by IRIS-t that makes it almost unbeatable i guess.
But to a large part that is also a problem of good players flocking to the new shiny strong vehicle of the month phenomenon, having most tech trees grinded and just go for the most succesful one on repeat. Which it was with the su-34/su30sm/pantsir combo. Kinda hard for nations to compete with that like gb with not the best tanks and 0 aa, japan with good tanks but 0 aa or us with tons of premium clickbait sufferers and also no aa. And the other team has all the good players because they have the strongest vehicles…
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Quite literally happened by two players in one match.
Then I did it with the Harrier GR7 on a losing match cause funny.
now show a photo of it but its a single player not 2
I know “technically not Mavericks” for the Rafale, but that is the Maverick IR seeker.
ahaha and than nato block players cry on 38?
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I mean Kh38MTs are considerably better than Mavericks.
they are certainly a lot faster than mavericks
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They are about a million times faster lol, so much so they can be used as wish dot com fox 3 in ARB, I think they stay about mach 1+ for almost 8km after being launched from a subsonic.
The advantage Mavs have is they show up earlier in BR and in greater quantity than comparable missiles like kh29.
Also this reminds me and I might as well ask here how do people feel about grom vs kh38 for pure gnss launches? Havent played with either in this aspect, noticed the groms don’t have the rocket booster I thought they had so range is gonna be a factor.
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Comrade it is using a russian booster why would it lose speed
I find it ridiculous how Russian tanks can pierce NATO armor like it’s butter, while Russian tanks are able to deflect hits in spots where, even with reactive armor, the shell should easily penetrate. In fact, even I — and I’m terrible with tanks — win more often with the Russians than with other nations.
If you know where the enemy’s air defense is, then the Kh-38ML with GNSS is a pretty powerful thing, but if you don’t know its position or it skillfully hides, then the probability of hitting tends to zero. Many were waiting for the Kh-38MT with GNSS, so that after launch the missile itself would search for the enemy in the supposed zone.
Ya I think they should remove the follower camera from AGMs tbh, when you shoot KH38 in GNSS mode you are also basically shooting scout drones. Combine that with the new ground map that CAS get access to and you can pinpoint people and drop a target lock on the ground map where they are.
What NATO tanks are we talking about?
For the moment I’ll just assume the M1 Abrams and Leopard 2A4 as those are among the most popular topics.
The M1 Abrams was designed to withstand Soviet 115mm APFSDS from 800m within a 60° frontal arc. The Leopard 2 was subject to very similar protection requirements. If we were to lower the Leopard’s/M1 Abrams’ Battle Ratings to a spot where they would face such APFSDS, it’d be around 8.7.
I trust you can see the issue there: A tank with a 5-6s reload rate, 27 hp/t ratio, substantial Shaped Charge protection, 40°/sec turret traverse, thermal sights and access to APFSDS at 8.7 wouldn’t exactly be what we call ‘balanced’.
Ehhh I don’t know about contact-1 but It’s common knowledge that contact-5 and Relict are over performing pretty grossly. The armor viewer downplays how much KE protection they have by quite a significant amount(relict is 200mm head on).
Of course most top tier MBT rounds have enough penetration to not make this noticeable for the most part however stuff like L27A1,M900,OFL 120, and DTC10-125 you tend to notice how spotty the residual pen damage tends to be when shooting at relict and to a degree C5 at side scraping angles and gets worse with anything that has less pen than those rounds I listed, a lot of people grinding will really feel it
But eventually they will be destroyed by Object 279.