By the way, does anyone know why the top USSR aviation has markers on air targets, I have the name of the planes, but the USA does not?
Putin paid gaijin to make russian radars look better than american obviously.
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The US only has access to older configurations of the implemented aircraft variant’s that lack (advanced) NTCR capabilities. and basically unless Gaijin decide to duplicate, the existing aircraft they basically won’t be added until the F-22 or F-35 for practically useless single feature, sure a bump in radar performance would be nice to have but it’s not like the AIM-9M or AIM-120C-5 can make use of the improve performance.
As I doubt that we’re going to receive many more airframes to bridge the gap between the existing F-15E, and a notional F-35A. And even then we basically have the; F/A-18E, F-16V and F-15EX at a minimum and all they really accomplish otherwise is move deck chairs around on the titanic due to the way Gaijin will hamstring their novel features, and restrict ordnance for balancing purposes even though they will be either on par with other options, or the weakest in class once the next wave of ordnance rolls around.
The Eurofighter isn’t Russian and you might want to check the F-15E for that feature as far as I can tell all 14.0 aircraft should have it
All top US aircraft do not have this function. Probably they forgot to add it.
Not sure if it’s been said but i think the only “Actual” Russian Bias is the BI. The rest is just Lazy Coding/Greed Bias and this being the (Single TT Researched) view of ground matches
the F-15E has NCTR
same for the F/A-18C and F/A-18A
even the F-15C has it
Meanwhile the russian radars:
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Su-27SM
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Mig-29SMT
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Su-30SM
clearly russian bias that more modern radars haver more modern features
is it also russian bias that the following planes have full NCTR:
- F-2A / F-2A ADTW
- Eurofigter
- Kfir C.10
- JAS-39A / JAS-39C
- Rafale C F3
clearly it is Japanese bias for them having the most planes with full NCTR in a single tech tree
(F-2A ADTW, F-2A, JAS-39C)
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Do these NCTR levels have any relation to reality? Or is it just Gaijin deciding who gets the top level NCTR and who doesn’t?
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as far as i can tell all ESA radars have full NCTR with the exeption being the Eurofighter and Gripen
the EF radar is stated to have full NCTR irl and the Gripen as well (not 100% sure on the Gripen)
iam just gonna send some bug reports on the NCTR of certain aircraft, instead of sending their sources
F-15:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/9SlVTxINGbUl
Mig-29SMT:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/RtE7yKc9KbbS
Rafale:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/2BcynB0Aspy5
that are just a few
i would say that the NCTR is based on actual sources
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That’s very valid actually. The BI has been at battle rating 6.7 for so long. My only reasonable explanation for it is the low interference in the balance. I mean it has little participation which doesn’t invalid the fact it’s much faster than most planes being it’s only good characteristic.
You already know, right? It’s only bias if you’re Russian. If you’re from another nation, it’s not even discussed in the forum.
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Yee, along with its unrealistic efficiency with its rocket fuel, its basically a tie fighter lol.
France could do this long before russia could.
never seen it before. You just made it up. Accepted that russia owned the air and ground in GRB. Once pantsir is spawned it means no fly zone, once Su 30 is spawned it means time to find a new match. 8/10 games, why don’t you guys accept the trust.
Pantsir is not that good and never was, if the radar got fixed sure. Even then it would only be a 8-10km death bubble at best.
Ill give you kh38 spam was exceptionally lame though. Biggest problem was it took zero skill to pull off. Should have never happened.
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A little experiment I’m running today.
I’m stock grinding my M1A2 Abrams and decided to compile each and every shot I took against a Russian MBT, the data is pretty interesting:
- In 89% of cases my shots penetrated/damaged the vehicle, in other words: Their armour only played a role in 11% of shots taken.
- In 64% of cases I shot them through side armour (thus bypassing frontal armour anyways).
- 55% were one-hit-kills, the percentage would be higher if I discarded cases where the round never hit anything critical (I.E., shooting the barrel to disable, shooting the tracks or transmission to cause fire, etc.).
- Never encountered the issue where hitting ammunition did not result in detonation.
Full data set here for anyone interested:
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This one is arguably under-constrained; Are there even any MBT’s that you would expect to non-pen / bounce against from a non-forward quarter shot? Where the armor schema may make a difference.
It would be more powerful to consider only those where the armor may have some influence e.g. forward quarter or +/- 30 degrees.
Then it might be a good idea to break them out by encounter scenario as well, to permit a judgement to be made about the role and employment tactics and how it may differ from others.
After all if I went out with the intent to hill peak, and only took shots at targets that were side onto me at 2000m+, the recorded spread would look very different to solely trying force the take / re-take capture points, I’d also be nice to know which ammo as well.
“So what I did was aim for sides and weak points and wouldn’t you know…I’m shocked that I typically penned all the sides and weak points. I’m also shocked that not hitting things in the side or LFP did almost nothing.”
Truly the data set of all time.
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The point hes trying to prove is tank survability post pen, about half the russian bias posts are about how t series shrug off penning shots when in actuality things like the abrams do it much more often, and of all the tanks t series are the most likely to go boom when penned.
And either way it just proves armor is one of the least important aspects of a tank at top tier so in that regard t series are at the br they are because of armor, definetely not because of gun handling, reload, mobility etc. Ie they are overtiered. And people that complain about them are braindead.
And again you can watch the tournement from last week, it was nothing but abrams and merkava spam since 2a7 was banned, bvm and t90m were not. I saw a t90 get spawned a whole 2 times and only on berlin. I get ipm1 was spawned for smoke, but anytime a smokeless tank was spawned 99% of the time it wasn’t russian. They are just not good tanks to spawn against people that can aim. You lose every advantage in pretty much every catergory including survability since when you do get penned you die more often.
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Oh wow, the same thing I’ve seen F-15E/Is and Rafales do.
And you have a post explicitly implying USA, Israel, and France are in reality Russia…
It is an issue that there is ~0.7 BRs of compression left in the game, and it’s not as bad as other issues such as blatantly OP American aircraft that can be up-BR’d without decompressing BRs.
P51H5NA, F-18A, F-15C, P-51C…
Ron spittin facts.