Russian Bias in 2025?

[HOMINUSNOCTURNO-live]

Dude both Germany and Russia have that issue and its annoying 😑 especially considering they are 100% on the same team when i play

[O_HOgameplay]

Every nation has it.

[_Ladies_Man_217]

@O_HOgameplay

Other tanks eat AGMs too

Not like Relikt.

[O_HOgameplay]

@_Ladies_Man_217

Not like Relikt.

WOW an ERA designed to be effective against darts is… effective against darts? OMG!!!

So next time when i aim badly and hit the upper plate of a Tiger II with a Pershing i can just call it germany bias!

[_Ladies_Man_217]

@O_HOgameplay

WOW an ERA designed to be effective against darts is… effective against darts?

Who even mentioned Darts? I spoke about eating air-to-ground missiles.

[Lolman345]

@O_HOgameplay

Do you have any proofs of the worse accuracy?
And this is just a useless thing as the in game Mv is NOT the suggested higher MV, so it’s pointless.

You quote reply my source quote later on lmao.

@O_HOgameplay

Great. Even in naval EC you wont shoot 150 shells per barrel most of the time, let alone in random AB/RB matches. And since damage is repaired after each match, this should not pose an issue.
But hey, let’s see:

Pen now:

Pen with 4.5% lower MV

Not a lot of difference.

Da yis, barrel life is a binary value and only causes issues when it ticks over and only MV is effected.

@O_HOgameplay

Which is irrelevant since everything is taken as in it’s best quality.

Yes, I know, as I’ve already said, it should have a effect.

@O_HOgameplay

Again, for the 8786787687667767th time, these are all irrelevant for reasons i exlained.

And you aren’t picking up anything I’m putting down are you.

@O_HOgameplay

I do. The reason is that you try to use these as “evidence” for russian bias yet you dont cry about germany bias.

Says that the APHEDS round the maus has no place in game and if it is in game should shatter.

@O_HOgameplay

yet you dont cry about germany bias.

Yeah you aren’t reading anything of what I wrote.

@O_HOgameplay

Again, which is a bad argument for bias because it would be applicable to every nation in game,

As I already said, such should be the case, I want the naval guns in game to preform realistically, not in a vacuum, and I have reiterated such multiple times now.

@O_HOgameplay

The difference is that i dont care how bad or good was something IRL. They should be represented in their best states in the game. No matter if it is german, italian, russian or from a galaxy far far away.

Cool and I don’t, case closed, problem solved.

@O_HOgameplay

You would bring them up in a different thread that is talking about inaccuracies and not the imaginary russian bias.

I am frankly amazed at this point.

@O_HOgameplay

I never said that.

@O_HOgameplay

Yeah good luch using the “shell with the most filler” onto anything that has some armor

You seem to think that the shells for all ships, with the most filler in game are exclusively nose fused HE, I regret to inform you that this is not the case.

SAP / BFHE is, for a number of ships, the largest filler shell available to them, I never once referenced nose fused HE you seem to want to tangent to that and thats your own prerogative, I have no interest in following suit.

@O_HOgameplay

Against softer targets

All targets.

@O_HOgameplay

Good luck shooting SAP at enemy battleships at usual battleship ranges.

Except that many SAP and BFHE rounds have no issue penning everything but the belt armor of a BB, as already exemplified by the 380 BFHE I showed that has equivalent performance to a purpose built APCBC round.

@O_HOgameplay

The only time they can do some damage is if they get a lucky hit under the water where the enemy battleship has no/weak armor,

Aka anything but the belt armor, imagine that.

@O_HOgameplay

at which point even APHE will do a lot of damage especially it it hits ammo.

All rounds will deal good damage if they impact ammo, reminder that functionally all SAP and AP sport nearly the same arming distance within their respective nations, varing per nation, EG the US has a .035 second delay, Germany 0.025, and Italy 0.03 seconds and so on for their BB rounds with a few outliers here and there. So as long as you have SAP or BFHE (Which sometimes does sport a slightly shorter fuse at 0.015 seconds) you can still hit ammo with no issue.

@O_HOgameplay

I was talking about HE not SAP.

And I’ve never been talking about HE.

@O_HOgameplay

Because i followed what you said. Remember “Shells with the most filler”? That’s HE, not SAP or base fuse HE.

And I thought we were talking about battleship where a good majority of BBs sport SAP as either their default round or their largest, by filler volume round. Only the USN sports a majority nose fused HE as their largest and stock HE rounds for a majority of their BBs.

@O_HOgameplay

You literally compared a 380mm shell to a lower BR, older 14 inch (356mm) APHE and an even older 12 inch (305mm) SAP. Great, you might as well compare a horse to a racing car.

Cool then lets line up the Soyuz vs Bismark then as they fight eachother in game.

Huh, thats weird, Soyuz’s stock SAP is only a few MM worse pen wise at 60 than the purpose built APCBC rounds on Bismarck at your “engagement ranges” of 10 and 15km.

Ok how about Amagi and her 410s?

Nope, only around 15mm of difference or less. (note her number 3 rounds are actually worse lmao)

How about Richelieu

Oh hey, 22mm now thats … totally a massive difference (1936 APCBC is just a tiny bit better)

And the same is the case for Colorado, the 15 inch armed British ships and others, with only Roma, Iowa, Yamato and Soyuz herself having a actual tangible pen improvement over Soyuz’s SAP when compared to their APCBC.

@O_HOgameplay

You was not talking about those, you was talking about HE.

That will be a negative from me hoss.

@O_HOgameplay

@TROOPER7

Like i ve said before , if i see a bear infront of me i will not try to search for bear foot tracks to be convinced, some others maybe would do that everybody is free to think as he likes

BEcause then it is obvious that there is a bear. With the russian bias it’s more like you thinking that this thing on Mars is an artificially built object:

When in reality it’s this:

As i have said before, if there is any kind of bias you can find it in code. You could literally close this debate once and for all and you could proudly be the guy who finally proved that there is russian bias.

but now you just act like an average flerf who is going “my see no curv earf am flett.” (this is not an insult btw)

[HOMINUSNOCTURNO-live]

@O_HOgameplay

Every nation has it.

Nah just the bias ones Germany and Russia

[H_ngma]

Yeah man seeing my 2022 SPAAs missiles constantly miss apaches and MIs while my team is being bartered by dozens of missiles really makes me feel the bias

[luque13]

Your filthy 105 is not good enough to pen glorious Leopard 2.

[racimazzedine]

japan bais. track ricochet a 457mm pen apfsds

[TROOPER7]

@O_HOgameplay

if there is any kind of bias you can find it in code. You could literally close this debate once and for all and you could proudly be the guy who finally proved that there is russian bias.

I have not such knowledge about codes to do it but even if i could do it im not sure that i would make you see something that you obviously dont want to see …

[HOMINUSNOCTURNO-live]

@H_ngma

Yeah man seeing my 2022 SPAAs missiles constantly miss apaches and MIs while my team is being bartered by dozens of missiles really makes me feel the bias

Cope KH38MTs are bias as fuck and take 0 skill

[MotorolaCRO]

@AlvisWisla

You gunning for all ten tech trees?

Yes, it’s pretty much the reason I play this game.

[TROOPER7]

@racimazzedine

japan bais. track ricochet a 457mm pen apfsds

No japanese bias…

[racimazzedine]

do the usa have a counter to this ? if its not why bother all this bais bullshit

[H_ngma]

And what exactly does the KH38M(adeup)T have to do with DIRCM being bs?

[MotorolaCRO]

@I_MiikaL_I

They are more armoured and survivable than the BVM, especially with volumetric, while the BVM acts as the ‘vanguard’ mbt which has ok armour but plenty of speed

Do tell me how B3A is more armored and has better survivability than BVM ?
It’s basically nerfed BVM that has semi-useful APS strapped on it.

@I_MiikaL_I

people know the weakspots of the uparmoured leos now so their period of being actually OP is long gone

If people actually know and can hit weakspots of all tanks then the biggest advantage of RU tanks just disappears, poof.

@I_MiikaL_I

which is that gaijin treats russia like a firstborn compared to the neglected minor nations

Oh no, neglected minor ones that also get things like Rafale that have special seekers implemented just for their ARHs with AGMs brutally overperforming as well.

[O_HOgameplay]

@_Ladies_Man_217

Who even mentioned Darts? I spoke about eating air-to-ground missiles.

Prove it is the ERA that stops it.
Also could you provide an example with video?

@Lolman345

You quote reply my source quote later on lmao.

Yes i know.

@Lolman345

Da yis, barrel life is a binary value and only causes issues when it ticks over and only MV is effected.

Yes that is the only thing i changed. Reduced MV=reduced pen.

@Lolman345

Yes, I know, as I’ve already said, it should have a effect.

No, we dont need such stupid mechanics.

@Lolman345

And you aren’t picking up anything I’m putting down are you.

???

@Lolman345

Says that the APHEDS round the maus has no place in game and if it is in game should shatter.

I literally dont say that. I brought it up to expose your double standards.

@Lolman345

Yeah you aren’t reading anything of what I wrote.

I do.

@Lolman345

As I already said, such should be the case, I want the naval guns in game to preform realistically, not in a vacuum, and I have reiterated such multiple times now.

Which is bad. Too much realism is not good. You might as well could complain that you can swap a blown up 46m gun in like 20s in game while in battle and shooting from the 2 guns next to it.

@Lolman345

Cool and I don’t, case closed, problem solved.

Which would bring in a wast number of issues including that a bunch of things would be literally unplayable. Yeah have a fun time with a Kpz-70 that cant reload because it’s autoloader does not work, have fun climbing a very small heap of trash on a Ferdinand and then get set on fire, have fun with your Sheridan randomly blowing up when you shoot…

@Lolman345

You seem to think that the shells for all ships, with the most filler in game are exclusively nose fused HE, I regret to inform you that this is not the case.

Yes there are few exceptions, the Poltava and Imperatritsa Mariya, japanese 36cm guns (some of them doesnt even have HE, mjust SAP and APHE). Also Italy doesnt use HE and France/USA doesnt use SAP for battleships.

As for smaller guns, i really doubt that there is any SAP with more filler than HE in the same gun.

@Lolman345

Aka anything but the belt armor, imagine that.

Nope. Even hitting other places like turrets or just the deck will not result in any meaningful damage.

@Lolman345

And I’ve never been talking about HE.

But what you said heavily implied it as i have demonstrated, since the overwhelming majority of the cases base fuse HE has the most filler.
I know you feel bad that you was debunked, but come on…

@Lolman345

And I thought we were talking about battleship where a good majority of BBs sport SAP as either their default round or their largest, by filler volume round. Only the USN sports a majority nose fused HE as their largest and stock HE rounds for a majority of their BBs.

Okay, let’s test it:
12inch/45 Mk 5:HE,
14inch/45 Mk 12: HE
12inch/50 Mk 7: HE
12inch/50 Mk 8: HE
14inch/45 Mk 8: HE
14inch/50 Mk 11: HE
406mm/45 Mk 5: HE
16inch/50 Mk 7: HE
(i dont want to count them on each ship but since each uses HE as stock, its enough to count how many ships use these guns, which is 12)

283mm/45 SK L/45: SAP, 3
305mm/50 SL L/50: HE, 3
38cm/45 SK L/45: SAP, 4
283mm/54,5 SK C/34: HE, 1
38cm/52 SK C/34: HE, 3
35cm/45 SL L/45: SAP, 1

12 inch/52 p1907: HE/SAP (depending on the ship), 2/2
14inch%52 p1913: HE (BF), 1
305mm/54 B-50: HE, 1
406mm/50 B-37: SAP, 1

305mm/45 Mk X: HE, 1
15inch/42 BL Mk I: SAP, 6
13.5inch/45 Mk 5(H): HE, 3
16inch/45 BL Mk I: HE, 2
12inch/50 Mk XI: HE, 1
13.5inch/45 Mk 5(L): HE, 1

12inch/45 Vickers: HE, 2
36cm/45 Type 41: SAP, 8
410mm/41 Type 3: HE, 2
460mm/45 Type 94: HE, 1

305mm/46 Armstrong: SAP, 3
381mm/40 Armstrong: SAP, 1
320mm/44 OTO m 1934: SAP, 1
320mm/44 Ansaldo m 1936: SAP, 2
381mm/50 Ansaldo-OTO m 1934: SAP, 1

340mm/45 m 1912: HE, 2
305mm/45 m 1906-10: HE, 1
330mm/52 m 1931: HE, 1
380mm/45 m 1935: HE, 1

So in total ships with stock SAP or SAP with the most filler:33
Ships with stock HE:41

@Lolman345

Only the USN sports a majority nose fused HE as their largest and stock HE rounds for a majority of their BBs.

Wrong again. It is US, France, UK,also USSR could count since it has the Sevastopol.

@Lolman345

Cool then lets line up the Soyuz vs Bismark then as they fight eachother in game.

What? Why? Why would you put a 8.3 ship against a 8.7 one?

@Lolman345

Huh, thats weird, Soyuz’s stock SAP is only a few MM worse pen wise at 60 than the purpose built APCBC rounds on Bismarck at your “engagement ranges” of 10 and 15km.

@Lolman345

Ok how about Amagi and her 410s?

@Lolman345

Nope, only around 15mm of difference or less. (note her number 3 rounds are actually worse lmao)

How about Richelieu

@Lolman345

Oh hey, 22mm now thats … totally a massive difference (1936 APCBC is just a tiny bit better)

And the same is the case for Colorado, the 15 inch armed British ships and others, with only Roma, Iowa, Yamato and Soyuz herself having a actual tangible pen improvement over Soyuz’s SAP when compared to their APCBC.

OMG!!! Chinese 105mm SAP has ~8x more filler than german 105mm APHE but has more pen!!! Chinese bias!4!4!4!4!4!4!!!

@Lolman345

I just explained that if there is any kind of russian bias in the en calculations, he can find it in code and close this debate once and for all.

@racimazzedine

japan bais. track ricochet a 457mm pen apfsds

At least your shot penned…

@TROOPER7

I have not such knowledge about codes to do it but even if i could do it im not sure that i would make you see something that you obviously dont want to see …

The porjection here is really strong.
Buddy, it is YOU who are in a cult, not me. If you can show me evidence then i will accept it. YOu are on the other hand, constantly demonstrate that you are unwilling to accept such things.

[Dzhkグ]

There is no Russian bias there is just this game SUCKING!! /j

[MotorolaCRO]

@Lolman345

You can so easily look this up yourself lol, only the AIM was worse and thats still a vehicle you can buy into.

Look what I’ve found. How come Click Bait can have the highest WR of all US 11.7 MBTs for months on end ? I thought premiums perform much worse than TT equivalents and drag down the stats ?

Even your cherry picked example is quite comical, where CB had only 0.2% (yes) worse WR than M1A2. You’ve found some proof there buddy, lmao.

@Lolman345

Lol

I’m still waiting.