I love it when i shoot the Leo 2 completely flat angle and the round magical doesnt do any damage lol
Flawless tactic guys! Your confirmation bias got exposed? Let’s false flag!
talking about bais, no one understand that we are going in a wave where gaijin cannot balence the game anymore, the nation are starting to show their weakness, russia in weak in tank mobility/apfsd mm of pen (550mm ru to 630mm to usa) and strong in cas, for the usa its strong in tanks fast firing gun with fire forget atgm but weak in spaa, for cas its mid, strong in heli and weak in planes. its the same for germany/israel/britain/sweeden. but there also the nation that cant even have the same level like italy who is weak in ground and air. we need to accept it and start adding more sub-tree.
what did i say wrong
What you said was actually okay, but the structuring was horrible xd.
Yeah srry just trying my best
Dont worry you are fine, it was just a joke.
what
Yes, i know. Likely the same thing happens when you non pen the side of a T series tank. Calling it bias or using it as evidence for bias is dumb.
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It depends if i can see a similar explanation that its possible to happen …
This is the other way around. Since an explanation like this exists, it is much more likely to be the correc one in the other cases, and not bias. Unless you can prove that it is bias.
Something you can easily do by finding the code that simulates shots.
If i cant get a similar explanation why my shot or bomb did nothing its just an abnormal incident but when i have many abnormal incidents most of them with a particular nation its up to me to call it as i like (bias, favoritism etc) and no one is forced to embrace my opinion , every body has his own to name it…
Motorola did Sweden, USA, Germany, and Britain.
I just got WZ1001 for China. China has been a far easier grind than Soviets.
While I do agree with most of your takes, and respect all of your takes, I haven’t ever thought of you on my own time.
Partly because Chinese lineups are a lower BR than Soviet lineups until they meet at 12.0.
@MotorolaCRO
You gunning for all ten tech trees?
@I_MiikaL_I
Addressing vehicles is not what handwaving is.
However, waving off SLM, SAMP/T, Sky Sabre, etc is the definition of handwaving.
USA has a larger lineup of more capable vehicles. 6 tech tree vehicles vs Soviet’s 4. 2 of their 4 are mobility limited too.
Overlapped plate was hit:
Hitting left or right would’ve penned.
Even @TROOPER7 is starting to see how people bounce off of the side of T-90s and T-80s by hitting overlapping plates.
Yes it is likely bias. Not russian bias, but confirmation bias.
I mean i can call myself a billionaire but that does not make me one. Wether russian bias exists or not is something we can find out, and it’s not like trying to decide which food tastes the best. That is something that everybody can decide for themselves. The (non)existance of a nation bias is not like that.
Yes i know. The reason for me posting that was not because i did not know why it did not pen, i knew that. The reason was to point out that such things happens to every tech tree and thus it is not bias.
No, I’m talking about reduced general accuracy values as that is the primary cost of having a lower barrel life and higher MV.
Yes, and the gun was tested at that MV and still had issues - “from “Encyclopedia of Russian Artillery.” Russian trials with an initial muzzle velocity of 2,723 fps (830 mps) revealed that the velocity drop after 150 rounds was 4.5% and after 300 rounds 10%. During trials it was also noted that the gun had dispersion problems, which were due to the low quality of the propellant and shells.”
Which was prevalent due to the low quality of the early shells and propellant much akin to the initial makes of the B-37.
And Roma’s guns are also known for having terrible dispersion and barrel life at only 110 to 130 rounds per barrel, - " “The Model 1934 was extremely accurate and was able to deliver very consistent and predictable patterns with devastating hitting power - with the ammunition used for trials. Unfortunately, the materials and supply process in Italy works differently than it does in most other countries. In the U.S., for example, if one wished to test a sample of 16” shells, they might pull an example from stock, and inspect it directly. In Italy, the firm producing the equipment would have the advantage of providing the item for test, thereby possibly delivering an example which would be of atypically good quality with respect to serialized units. This was the problem with the Model 1934 - the firms producing the ammunition did not all produce projectiles of proper quality. [Admiral Angelo] Iachino complained about this in post-war books. Some actions showed a run of good projectiles, where others were plagued by terribly bad examples. Possibly the greatest contrast was seen between the shooting of Littorio in the first battle of Sirte Gulf and that of Vittorio Veneto in the 28 March Guado encounter. Despite the fact that Littorio was shooting at targets 32,000 yards away while Veneto was attacking at first Orion and afterwards Gloucester at only 24,000 yards, the Littorio 's shot groups were significantly more consistent, despite the greater range, doubtlessly owing to a batch of properly fabricated 381-mm projectiles." - Comments by Maurizio Di Sciullo"
Like the B-37 having a high MV and short barrel life coupled with the available quality of the rounds rounds heavily degraded their performance.
I just said I don’t think those rounds should be in game and they should shatter, are you not reading what I’m saying?
No I responded to your comment on said guns to point out the comical state of them.
The B-37 and B-50 guns are indeed the greatest recipients of gaijin’s choice to had wave away compounding issues, if you want to tack on Roma’s 381s we can do that too.
I am talking about such broadly, why else am I bringing up stuff like germany’s 380mm BFHE?
- High capacity, high pen SAP - bad shells
Lmao
And thats why many players use said high end SAP as they reliably deal the most damage.
I don’t know what SAP you are firing but you can deal far more than that per salvo if you aim properly.
You can do the same with the aforementioned SAP, to that same end APCBC nominally works if you are hitting components, SAP does not require such impacts.
Curious that you continue to talk about nose fused HE when I’ve been exclusively talking about BFHE and SAP.
Cool then lets push it out to 15km … oh thats nice the 380 BFHE puts out 138mm of pen at 60 and the Mark 8 APCBC is outputting 130mm and the Patt SAP is putting out 71mm, aka, none are penetrating actual BBs, cruiser wise, bar the kron, all of the above pen without issue bar the citadels on a select few ships, at 10km, the Mark 8 and BFHE happen to be identical, still not penning kron or the heavy CAs and the SAP is doing the same, curious then that only at 7.5km does the APCBC actually pull away, if only slightly.
When Wyoming gets SAP or BFHE, the two rounds I’ve been talking about, sure I’ll take you up on that offer.
You can so easily look this up yourself lol, only the AIM was worse and thats still a vehicle you can buy into.
Lol
And?
Dude is able to maintain 90% WRs with a grand majority of the MBTs in game, even other US MBTs having almost the same perfect WRs. And he says he plays primarily solo, so the only place teams seem to be effecting him would be where the premium vehicles reside.
And I disagree with said statement.
Took long enough for the personal attacks to come out
Was going to respond to this but browser nuked the draft so I’m just going to shug at all of this as I’m not rewriting it.
Like i ve said before , if i see a bear infront of me i will not try to search for bear foot tracks to be convinced, some others maybe would do that everybody is free to think as he likes
everybody can simulate a shot …the critical point is to have an answer why this strange shot result occured
Bruh, you deliberately chose May stat, because it was the best fit for your argument.
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My brother in christ the original statement was this -
The stats are the same in April, March and February as well with the clickbaits and AIMs dragging down WRs or being almost the same.
I can laundry list them here if you want, but the fact is that for many months both vehicles have been dragging down WRs, the clickbait has not had the quote on quote “consistently best WR of all US 11.7 MBTs”, and the AIM is very visibly been sitting at a 40 to 44% WR for a long while.
Even now in August the AIM in particular is sitting at a 48% WR while the Clickbait and the other M1A1s are sitting at 50%.
Do you have any proofs of the worse accuracy?
And this is just a useless thing as the in game Mv is NOT the suggested higher MV, so it’s pointless.
Great. Even in naval EC you wont shoot 150 shells per barrel most of the time, let alone in random AB/RB matches. And since damage is repaired after each match, this should not pose an issue.
But hey, let’s see:
Pen now:
Pen with 4.5% lower MV
Not a lot of difference.
Which is irrelevant since everything is taken as in it’s best quality.
Again, for the 8786787687667767th time, these are all irrelevant for reasons i exlained.
I do. The reason is that you try to use these as “evidence” for russian bias yet you dont cry about germany bias. This is double standards. And also you only mentioned these others AFTER i pointed this out.
Again, which is a bad argument for bias because it would be applicable to every nation in game, thus making the idea of “bias” even stupider than it is now.
The difference is that i dont care how bad or good was something IRL. They should be represented in their best states in the game. No matter if it is german, italian, russian or from a galaxy far far away.
You would bring them up in a different thread that is talking about inaccuracies and not the imaginary russian bias.
I never said that.
Against softer targets. Good luck shooting SAP at enemy battleships at usual battleship ranges. The only time they can do some damage is if they get a lucky hit under the water where the enemy battleship has no/weak armor, at which point even APHE will do a lot of damage especially it it hits ammo.
I was talking about HE not SAP.
Because i followed what you said. Remember “Shells with the most filler”? That’s HE, not SAP or base fuse HE.
You literally compared a 380mm shell to a lower BR, older 14 inch (356mm) APHE and an even older 12 inch (305mm) SAP. Great, you might as well compare a horse to a racing car.
You was not talking about those, you was talking about HE.
BEcause then it is obvious that there is a bear. With the russian bias it’s more like you thinking that this thing on Mars is an artificially built object:
When in reality it’s this:
As i have said before, if there is any kind of bias you can find it in code. You could literally close this debate once and for all and you could proudly be the guy who finally proved that there is russian bias.
but now you just act like an average flerf who is going “my see no curv earf am flett.” (this is not an insult btw)