Russian Bias in 2025?

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3971

No - more than TWO LMURs at any arms display. They are happy enough to show the full array of Ataka or Vikhrs plus all the rocket pods that can be fitted.

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Now imagine that instead of showing the full array of ordnance, they only show one or two ATGMs. Why? Because they haven’t got enough inert/demo mockups? Or, because the thing physically cannot carry more than a max of two?

After all, they’re trying to sell this thing with it’s new super missile. Surely they’d be only too happy to show a 28mn with more than two?

3972

oh thats what you mean

seemed like you were talking about the Mi-28

my guess is that they arent producing that many of them yet, see this Ka-52 for example, they mounted 2 launch rails but no missile in them
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3973

Yes, but again - seemingly a max of two rails.

Seriously, just try and find ANY image of any gunship carrying more than two of these things. I’ll happily eat my words if so.

3974

The only image I can find of four rails is the heavily modified Mi8NP. However this physically bigger and more capable in terms of load-hauling.

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3975

weight shouldnt really be the issue
from whats known a Lmur weighs around 100kg

so that shouldnt be an issue for both the Mi-28 or Ka-52

also that Mi-8 looks like it is growing radar shaped tumors

3976

Weight is always an issue, particularly for helicopters - particularly if they appear to always be using additional heavy fuel tanks (not drop tanks - big external tanks, almost like ferry tanks on a fixed wing aircraft). Maybe the avionics for the missiles adds a further weight penalty we don’t know about.

3977

but even then, for the Mi-28, lets say the dual rack weighs 200kg + another 200kg for the missiles

that would be ~400kg on a single pylon

meanwhile it can carry 4x 500kg bombs, so there is some headroom for the weight of the avionics

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3978

So Tiger UHT remains a maximum of 4 as well by your own argument.
What crews do IRL is not restrictions of the aircraft itself.

Realism > artificial crew restrictions.

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3979

I would like realistic payloads for all nations.
France
Russia
Germany
UK

3980

What crews choose is not realism.
Role playing and realism are two different things.

3981

Well, since the next patch will most likely add the Ka-52M, the current situation with the Mi-28NM is nothing special.

3982

find me 1 pic of f15 with all 8x live amraam. not mockup/inert amraam.

3983

Well the rest of us need to adhere to the rules set by Gaijin.

I would love 15 120s on Typhoon…but that wouldn’t be realistic.

Either we all play by the same rules or no one does.
I don’t understand why you think Russia should get special dispensation?

3984

Said Typhoon is not in the game yet.
And that Typhoon will be realistic.

War Thunder already applies the same rules to everyone.
Russia’s not a tech tree, and the Soviet tech tree is treated equally to all tech trees. This is well known to everyone.

3985

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Oh you changing the rules now with “live” ordinanace ha ha

Well here’s an F-15 at RIAT count those missiles

3986

Nice F-15EX, it’s not in the game yet.

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3987

inert/mockup missiles

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3988

Yet Su-27SM and Su-30 get Su-35 additional pylons.
By your logic the F-15E would have the additional pylons?

3989

Your point?
Show me a Su-27 with 12 missiles…see it’s silly

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blue stripes = inert/mock up amraam
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this is a real aim120

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