unfortunately living in your head rent free isn’t the same as ‘complaining for months’
still fixated on that lol. i do great in the T80UM2 considering i take it to top tier without thermals.
it confirmed everything i suspected about T80s, i tank rounds a lot more often, i get an insane HE, ATGMs, can easily crest hills, peak corners and zoom around the battlefield…
with thermals, better armor and bushes this would be cheating (which it is)
but that’s not enough! russia must also have invincible helis!! it’s only fair because pantsir is no longer numbah1!!! hahaha
While other countries had SPAA of 7-8 km, and NATO’s launch range of AGM-65 missiles was 9 km. That is, to hit Pantsir, it was necessary to fly 7 km deep into its defenses. At the time, when Kh-38MT carriers destroyed all living things not from a safe distance and their missiles could not be outmaneuvered by any SPAA. I won’t even mention ADATS.
Oh yeah, ADATS wasn’t even allowed to lock a target that its search radar found for years, only changed this last update
And even if you manually found a Kh38 coming your way, the IRST lock would break immediately
Very balanced and unintentional for a top tier AA
I truly understand why the top tier NATO tanks aren’t getting the latest ammunition. What I would ask for is that certain tanks be given better armor, especially the added ones, like the Challenger 2 TES and OES. Furthermore, they should review all NATO ERAs, since the Brenus ERA is incorrect, the Romor ERA is incorrect. I wouldn’t be surprised if the M60 ERAs were also inferior to reality. The Mexas armor is also almost an extra weight for nothing. On the other hand, I would also review the armor and ammunition of NATO tanks of ranks 6 and 7, giving them a change of Br that will be necessary of course. The AMX-30B2 Brenus should by date have a better APDS-FS. The M60A1 RISE and A3TTS should carry the M774 and 833 respectively. The Chieftain Mk5 should use the L15A5 which is slightly better than the L15A3. The Centurion Mk10 should have the mantlet armor fixed once and for all, and also add the L52A1 raising its Br to 8.3, replacing the Centurion Mk5/2 with the L28A1. Changing the subject, there are also things that need to be corrected on the USSR side. For example, the armor of the T-55AM-1 and T-62M1 should be somewhat better, making it resistant to the L28A1 and almost to the M728, since its armor was almost the same as the T-64A or T-72Ural. The penetration of the 100mm 3BM25 and to a lesser extent the 115mm 3BM21 should also be reviewed, since essentially the 100mm 3BM25, the 115mm 3BM21 and the 125mm 3BM22 were practically the same in performance and only differed in the different speed at which they left the barrel. https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/RDpEDW9EHG3n https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/Z0H3xuwhqEkH
Kh-38 was added in 2024, and you’re referencing 2021 with the AGM-65Bs. Which don’t have a lock range of 9km but around 5km.
In late 2022 14km lock range, 20km launch range AGM-65Ds were added to a competent platform.
2nd update of 2023 13km range Pantsir was added with the new SACLOS control system.
October 2024, Pantsir’s effective range was increased to 16km.
AGM-65D/Gs were still launchable at 18km without issue.
Only in June of 2025 were SPAA added that deal with AGM-65, Kh-38MT, and IR Hammer carriers.
Pantsir was only ever good against LGBU CAS, and that one was more recent.
Or you actually are lying. Russia is one of the toughest ground nations, only have a couple “good regions” he’ll, I actually prefer USA & Brit’s because their brs are better, and they tend to have some really wonky stuff happen.
I do my best to test every major thing every update, especially CAS related.
Helicopters I didn’t do as much because SPAA so heavily out-ranks them in capabilities why would I test top helicopters when they’re just food for semi-good SPAA players?
The first thing I did when Pantsir was added was spend 5 hours in custom battles on both dev server and live server [1.5 hours dev, 3.5+ hours live] testing ranges because I wasn’t going to trust statcards when they were wrong about ITO-90M and Tunguska.
I discovered I could get to 13km before missiles have a notable chance of hitting a minor moving target at 8000 meters altitude.
That would change to 16km in fall 2024 making LGBUs a challenge to use when Pantsirs are up, but only LGBUs.
Fun fact, the T-80Us are purposely nerfed by gaijin, did you know that? They load too slowly.
The actual load time starts when the shell is picked up by the loader btw.
See, ammo is not positioned perfectly in game, nor does any T-80U use 3bm60. (Because these are longer projectiles, they cannot fit side by side.)
The Auto loader (MZ) in T-80U tanks can actually load as fast a 3.74~ seconds without swapping ammo types, and the shell of the same ammo type being next in order.
^ this also applies to the T-64B as it was the first tank fitted with this auto loader system.
The MZ loader is locked to 6.0 seconds to maximize reliability though, and that is the full reload, from gun centering, to the round being slammed in and the auto loader settled.
In game the current reload is 6.5 seconds, which is too high for it’s actually reload making it historically inaccurate.
As there is a reason it’s drastically different from the T-72’s auto loader, it not only can carry more shells, but load them quicker as well.
Among other small details like ERA very slightly underperforming by roughly 6%.
NATO tanks such as Leo2s, Abrams, and Challengers often can only reload as fast as, or slightly faster than the MZ loader.
Manual loading (if they aren’t cheating) on average takes between 5.79 - 8.9 seconds.
Therefore, NATO tanks are actually over preforming in their reloads.
Testing in custom environment is whole different story then real battle. Over the years I asked you several times to provide replay which would support your claim.
You never did, so I have no reason to believe any of your “S1 cannot defend against western CAS”…
I have plenty of experience with AGM65 platforms an it never was an easy fight facing all seeing and sneaky S1.
You asked during times when I stopped playing CAS or was busy with other things.
Custom matches give the SPAA more advantage than the aircraft, which would benefit your argument.
Random battles gives CAS far more advantage than custom matches ever will.
All SPAA is sneaky BTW.
I gave everyone 1v1 opportunities, and 3? people took me up on that offer and their Pantsirs got ruined by F-15E and F-16C, and I just stayed out of their missile range.
If you look at the whole line up with tanks, helis and cas, then yes.
But only the tanks, meh. T80BVM is the only real competitor here and even that one is worse than others.
