Russian Bias in 2025?

They not block rotation they have systems that needed for it atleast Abrams does. Players asked for more modules to be added to nerf Soviet techtree they didn’t expect consequences that will effect them.

That was really old from 2009 (?) brochure newer ones say it maybe possibly can at this moment we don’t have any clear information.

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Well that just wierd question different nations got overperforming vehicles in some moment of War Thunder history not only Soviet techtree.

Irl pilot activates proximity fuse or doesn’t on the missile devs didn’t add whole system for one missile.

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Thats why they have such good winrates now.

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mh hm.

Partially true. Doing sideshots, created very little spalling for russian tanks, it was very hit or miss. The same could be about NATO tanks but not to the frequency of the russian ones.

The straw that broke the cammal’s back was the 2S38.

Even then the idea that turret baskets can completely disable the turret from rotating is very unlikely. This is and it somehow spalls lot more than a round hitting an auto loader.

What makes it worse is that only two MBTs have and some more should’ve been added this major update. Detailed modules is not meant for balancing, it is a new mechanic and supposed to be a new standard for vehicle modeling.


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Regardless it shouldn’t really be able to deflect IRIST missiles because it has multiple guidance systems as redundancy.

I’m honestly sick of the “gajin hasn’t modeled that in yet” excuse because it’s just lazy. It’s a poorly implemented mechanic, it’s simple as that.


max BRs of helicopters need to be increased as it’s quite obvious they are very compressed. No one can argue that an apache can somehow compete with the likes of the Z10ME, Mi28NM/Ka52 and FnF helis in top tier.


This is true but we shouldn’t say that since x nation has been OP, y nation should also be OP. Gaijin needs to strive for a more balanced game but to limited development, money incentives, and time constraints, they ruin the balance.

Though I think this major update is a lot more balanced for GRB than the prior one. Top tier Naval is a different story, and Air is just missile spam.


They easily could’ve added this when fuze selection was implemented for MP rounds in tanks.

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I think they mean the israeli AH-60, somehow people still mess these up.

No this is just your bias towards T-series tanks and Soviet tech generally.

2S38 never was something outstanding.

On what that conclusion stands ? Do you have any information how DIRCM works on those helis ?

Back when it was first added it was. Now it’s a pretty good support tank.

He’s somewhat right. While armor is basically a hit and miss for every tank.
The Good KE ERA that ussr tanks tend to have basically doubles down on the glitchiness of armor. Though, I will say that’s also just lazy coding from gaijin and not outright bias. If a nato tank had good KE ERA, we’d most likely see the same result with them.

Well tbf, It should only have 2 lasers max to fool missiles and only on the underside of the helicopter. As it is right now, it has a force field that disables up to 10+ missiles.

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Yeah thats true i feel a bit unhappy that IRST can so easily kill nuke.

What’s the difference ? They added some modules but that’s it. It still a powder keg on wheels there is not much difference to effect it’s performance.

Hes not talking about glitchy models but states that soviet tanks has less spalling which is 2 different things

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German vehicles are the ones that are broken not the Russian ones

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Before detailed modules (I believe a year or two back), there was hidden sheet metal surrounding the carousel which is why spalling was very hit or miss. The addition of the detailed modules further proves this. So no, it’s not just some bias that is in my head.


Then you haven’t played it when it came out. It was absolutely busted when it came out. It produced little to no shrapnel requiring direct shots to ammo. Now it’s just a decent tank.


It’s in the name LDIRCM. If you look closely, it has the IR which stands for Infrared. It’s designed to blind IR seekers. It does not use some voodoo magic to somehow jam it’s other guidance systems.

It also does not give it some magic force field to negate unlimited amount of IR missiles coming towards it.

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Plate that infront of the T-72/90 ? It’s definetly not surrounds it and T-80 doesn’t have it how it’s connected to your previous statement that soviet tanks created less spalling ? That looks like your personal bias

Except the way Gaijin did it INTENTIONALLY nerfed the Abrams. It’s there to protect crew. It’s attached to the bottom of the turret, NOT the horizontal turret drive. See bug report here

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/cHv8RM6tfvNo

The way I see it, the bias is not Russian vehicles per say but ignoring of bug reports. Sure the KH38MT is OP and should be removed but the same can be said for Spikes. They will find technicalities in any bug post concerning US stuff to keep them from fixing it. That or they’ll accept the bug report and selectively forget about it.

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Not sure what you mean by that? I’m talking about how the casserole loader absorbs shrapnel leading to not very good post pen damage other than the loader itself being taken out (which does not change that they could still aim and fire if they have a round in the chamber).

what I was mentioning in my previous response is when before the caresole loader was added, there was metal surrounding the ammo which absorbed a lot of the shrapnel. when the loader was added that metal was removed but the loader itself acts as a spall absober. Hence why my previous statement is connected to my original statement.

Your own source states that turret rotation is dependant on hudraulic system which present in the basket.

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How ? You stating that soviet armor penetration created less spalling but to prove it you stating there is ghost module that absorbed spalling only connection here is discriminatory bias.

Read that again, slowly. No where does it say that it “depends” on the turret basket. It also states that a 1 Hp electric secondary pump is there for when the engine is off. The main hydraulic pump is on the motor. The hydraulic oil reservoir is in the hull, not the turret basket. So with that you’ve actually made a point. Since there is an electric secondary pump, even if the motor is dead (emergency operation mode), the abrams should still be able to operate the turret. Thanks!

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Which connected trough the basket.

Which is in the basket.

The slip ring is only connected between the hull and the bottom of the turret basket. The hydraulics then go to the elevation and horizontal drive.

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All of the hydraulic lines go directly to the two axis’ of drives from there. There is absolutely no reason why the whole thing is considered the hit box. They could have EASILY just had hit boxes for the vert drive, horizontal drive, and even the slip ring.

The point you’re trying to make is pretty insignificant. If you want to get that detailed, then tanks that require electric power would be completely disabled with shots almost anywhere. No more autoloaders working, turret traversing, horizontal drives and flir on electrically powered tanks. Imagine, ifvs just hitting the engine and tanks are completely disabled. Sounds fun right? Should Gaijin model all the wires too to be fair?

Btw, the Abrams turret can be manually controlled.

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The whole thing is not consideret as a hit box only bottom and some parts

You say this, but you are negative in 2S38.

You also say this, but you are also negative in 2S38.

You don’t know that, the only damage model released was the leopard’s

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