No this is just your bias towards T-series tanks and Soviet tech generally.
2S38 never was something outstanding.
On what that conclusion stands ? Do you have any information how DIRCM works on those helis ?
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Back when it was first added it was. Now it’s a pretty good support tank.
He’s somewhat right. While armor is basically a hit and miss for every tank.
The Good KE ERA that ussr tanks tend to have basically doubles down on the glitchiness of armor. Though, I will say that’s also just lazy coding from gaijin and not outright bias. If a nato tank had good KE ERA, we’d most likely see the same result with them.
Well tbf, It should only have 2 lasers max to fool missiles and only on the underside of the helicopter. As it is right now, it has a force field that disables up to 10+ missiles.
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Yeah thats true i feel a bit unhappy that IRST can so easily kill nuke.
What’s the difference ? They added some modules but that’s it. It still a powder keg on wheels there is not much difference to effect it’s performance.
Hes not talking about glitchy models but states that soviet tanks has less spalling which is 2 different things
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German vehicles are the ones that are broken not the Russian ones
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Before detailed modules (I believe a year or two back), there was hidden sheet metal surrounding the carousel which is why spalling was very hit or miss. The addition of the detailed modules further proves this. So no, it’s not just some bias that is in my head.
Then you haven’t played it when it came out. It was absolutely busted when it came out. It produced little to no shrapnel requiring direct shots to ammo. Now it’s just a decent tank.
It’s in the name LDIRCM. If you look closely, it has the IR which stands for Infrared. It’s designed to blind IR seekers. It does not use some voodoo magic to somehow jam it’s other guidance systems.
It also does not give it some magic force field to negate unlimited amount of IR missiles coming towards it.
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Plate that infront of the T-72/90 ? It’s definetly not surrounds it and T-80 doesn’t have it how it’s connected to your previous statement that soviet tanks created less spalling ? That looks like your personal bias
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Except the way Gaijin did it INTENTIONALLY nerfed the Abrams. It’s there to protect crew. It’s attached to the bottom of the turret, NOT the horizontal turret drive. See bug report here
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/cHv8RM6tfvNo
The way I see it, the bias is not Russian vehicles per say but ignoring of bug reports. Sure the KH38MT is OP and should be removed but the same can be said for Spikes. They will find technicalities in any bug post concerning US stuff to keep them from fixing it. That or they’ll accept the bug report and selectively forget about it.
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Not sure what you mean by that? I’m talking about how the casserole loader absorbs shrapnel leading to not very good post pen damage other than the loader itself being taken out (which does not change that they could still aim and fire if they have a round in the chamber).
what I was mentioning in my previous response is when before the caresole loader was added, there was metal surrounding the ammo which absorbed a lot of the shrapnel. when the loader was added that metal was removed but the loader itself acts as a spall absober. Hence why my previous statement is connected to my original statement.
Your own source states that turret rotation is dependant on hudraulic system which present in the basket.
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How ? You stating that soviet armor penetration created less spalling but to prove it you stating there is ghost module that absorbed spalling only connection here is discriminatory bias.
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Read that again, slowly. No where does it say that it “depends” on the turret basket. It also states that a 1 Hp electric secondary pump is there for when the engine is off. The main hydraulic pump is on the motor. The hydraulic oil reservoir is in the hull, not the turret basket. So with that you’ve actually made a point. Since there is an electric secondary pump, even if the motor is dead (emergency operation mode), the abrams should still be able to operate the turret. Thanks!
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Which connected trough the basket.
Which is in the basket.
The slip ring is only connected between the hull and the bottom of the turret basket. The hydraulics then go to the elevation and horizontal drive.
All of the hydraulic lines go directly to the two axis’ of drives from there. There is absolutely no reason why the whole thing is considered the hit box. They could have EASILY just had hit boxes for the vert drive, horizontal drive, and even the slip ring.
The point you’re trying to make is pretty insignificant. If you want to get that detailed, then tanks that require electric power would be completely disabled with shots almost anywhere. No more autoloaders working, turret traversing, horizontal drives and flir on electrically powered tanks. Imagine, ifvs just hitting the engine and tanks are completely disabled. Sounds fun right? Should Gaijin model all the wires too to be fair?
Btw, the Abrams turret can be manually controlled.
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The whole thing is not consideret as a hit box only bottom and some parts
You say this, but you are negative in 2S38.
You also say this, but you are also negative in 2S38.
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You don’t know that, the only damage model released was the leopard’s
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I can literally check the ingame model and see where is the hit points
Do you have something different from this?
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That’s visual model not hit points
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Never knew Italy,Japan, Britain, France was so good literally better then USSR…
yea? Didn’t say i was good at staying alive in it but it is a decent support tank. If you try to play it like an mbt, your gonna do terrible. Unless i’m mistaken on what your point is?