Patience is the most valuable weapon i would say xD. Many top tier players lack it imo
If u finally feel how to use them they are awsome maybe even better than fighter cas like f16 in some maps but thats just my opinion
You still get the best lineup in the game with Kamovs,Pantsir, two jets able to vaporize the whole enemy team with, an army full of t80’s with unpenetrable hull and good speed. Damn you Russian mains love to complain when you guys live in a luxury.
honestly there are already maps where I prefer heli to fixed wing just because there are some nice spots for helis and fixed wing is constantly targeted by AA and CAP
it helps that AH1z has 9ms for self defense
and even shooting LFP or side of a t80 is rolling dice whether it will do anything or he will just turn and shoot you
@bertgame
1- T-80BVM has half the armor of T-90M on the turret for not even NATO mobility equivalence.
4- Thanks for our agreement that CAS is OP.
5- F-15E, Mirage 2000D RMV, Su-34, etc are all untouchable from Pantsir.
8- Strela’s missiles don’t work because they’re limited range. NATO CAS has the same range as Soviet CAS using IR weapons.
9- I am not ten-thousands of players, and I never mentioned playing them as part of my point. SPAA out-ranges all helicopters in the game, which means F&F versions are the only real usable ones.
10- I’m aware that Rafale is better and easier to play than Su-34. F-15E is arguable as easy as Rafale.
S1 can’t cover anyone cause it doesn’t have the ~25km range necessary.
The M1A2 is under-BR’d as well as being stronger than BVM in both mobility and weapons, while having a competent turret more people shoot than you realize.
Hull armor is meaningless in urban maps sadly.
Who needs so many MBTs? Current meta is all about SP speedrun. You’re fine with just 2 MBTs, can always use back-ups.
Strela ain’t useless. Most of the time it creates a “no fly zone” of around 3 kilometers around it. Everything that comes close will most likely end up dead. It’s just as deadly as Type 81C.
CAS is OP in general, although the Su-34 and Su-30SM combo is the strongest one at this moment. Maybe on par with the Rafale, but you barely see those nowadays. It’s also worth mentioning that Pantsir is easily the strongest SPAA in the game, and it’s in the same team with the Sukhois.
Ka-52 is easily the best non-FnF attack helicopter in the game, Vikhrs are far more capable than Hellfires. Also Spikes and PARS 3 are non lethal, gotta fire 4 of them at once to get any result.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not anti russian and I’m not a US main either, but from my perspective US ordinance (used by most of the nations in the game) is far less capable than the Russian one.
AIM-120s since the release got nerfed to the ground, from being the best modern BVRAAM to the worst one, it has a great range, but that’s about it. Most long range shots don’t connect anyway.
AGM-65D/F/G/H except the AASM-250 (Hammers) is the only western equivalent to Kh-38MTs, and I’m telling you, Mavericks are complete dogshit. AGM-65Ds got to be fired from the orbit, 70 degree angle, 10km range to get any kills, and it’s not guaranteed, most of the time you will get a “Hit” or “Critical Hit” on direct hit.
AGM-65G/F are way better, but you can only carry 2 of them on F-16C/F-15E or up to 4 on the JAS39C. It’s so slow, that you can’t even kill a Pantsir if there is one. The AGM will be simply shot down.
AIM-9M is easily the worst Fox-2 IRCCM missile in the game. It’s the least reliable missile in top tier, most of the time tracking nothing, running out of energy in a single turn or not pulling enough AoA. Not to mention, it’s IRCCM is the worst one.
Hellfire II is deadly asf, but try to shoot one. If there’s enemy SPAA or CAS present, you are free food. Hellfires are way too slow to do anything in the current meta.
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I agree with most of what you said but want to point out that aim9m with smokeless motor is very good in ground RB because people dont see it coming but its tracking still is terrible
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B…B…But my reload is 10 gazillion seconds and my transmission is shit so i’m going to blame you for it.
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@Мłоdу
The current meta of top BR is to use strong MBTs to win matches via ground map control.
Strela is useless, and zero CAS at top BR have a <10km engagement distance.
Su-34 and Su-30 are not the strongest combo; F-16C and F-15E are, with Rafale and Mirage 2000D RMV in 2nd. Rafale having the most AMRARHAAMs equipped with 6x Hammers, and RMV having an Su-30 equivalent air to ground loadout of 5 Hammers.
Of course, CAS is expensive and running those CAS over tanks is a reckless spawn point decision.
Ka-52 is not the best non-F&F missile in the game. Vikhrs are faster longer range TOW-2s, easily defeated by just aiming one’s turret at the helicopter.
I’ll refer to your own comment for refuting Ka-52:
And your posts are running defense for Soviet equipment, namely Strela by claiming it can punch above its weight when it can’t.
I used Mavericks from 2022 to October 2024, they did more than fine.
AIM-9M and AAM-3 are not the worst IRCCM missiles in the game.
there is no point arguing with him, he will just ignore your points while making stuff up
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your point is kinda bad though, because you didnt mention that they are all copy+paste with different weapons (one gets hmd)
you also missed that the top tier one is DoA while the russian plane despite its incorrect model is by far the best multirole fighter for GRB
So you play air and you think you’d know better than me in ground?
You reminded me to add my 3rd vehicle to my player profile:
The A26C45 was my first event aircraft.
The M60 AMBT was the best $40 I ever spent and is my current favorite M60.
And Object 279 because of Metal Gear Solid 3.
the question was which country was the most beloved.
i see them adding flawlessly modeled f-18s (3d model) with accurate camos
meanwhile they copypasted different flankers together to make the 3d model of the Su-30 which is completly wrong and the camos are also anything but accurate
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/iTyFwytcKIgp
but yeah it is the nation that gets the most love from the devs
btw each US f-18 got an accurate cockpit meanwhile the finnish one got the cockpit from the f-18c late with an hmd brighness knob
also the US tech tree got the most aircraft in the past year and has currently the most rank 8 aircraft in the game
never said anything about ground but sure
I don’t know what world you live in, but my matches are completely different. Team that gets the most CAS first wins, because the losing team rage quits.
Strela isn’t useless, you can very often kill Eurofighters using Brimstones at extreme close quarters.
F-15E is a flying brick for how small GRB maps are. Good luck doing anything with this turn rate.
Since the update released, haven’t seen any Mirage 2000D RMV, not really surprised, because it’s not as good as you make it.
If Ka-52 isn’t the best non-F&F in the game then what is? Vikhrs are faster longer range TOW-2s, but you can kill enemy MBT no matter what it does. Just aim the Vikhr at the roof and bang, kill.
If AIM-9M isn’t the worst IRCCM missile in the game, then what is?
9m has really strong Irrcm
i would say the Pl8b is worse because it dosent have seeker shutoff
With spawn points left on the table, meaning they quit while ahead.
Morale victories are a victory, but they’re not an objective victory, they’re a victory relying on the enemy not knowing how much everything costs to spawn.
GRB maps are 80x80km.
Mirage 2000D RMV isn’t seen cause French players tend not to waste spawn points on CAS and instead focus on winning.
There’s front armor between the missile and the roof.
For its use case, R-27ET has the worst IRCCM. Gatewidth for long-range IR missiles is worse than shutoff-IOG of AIM-9M, AAM-3, etc.
Cause the 27-ET and R-73 have the same no escape ranges, but one can be launched significantly further away giving someone far more time to intentionally or unintentionally flare it.
Of course, 27-ET is still a strong missile.