Yeah, but case is Hellfires is being compared to Vikhr, which is literally better in anything also Hellfires should hit from above like KH38MT.
why is it still a topic russian/ soviet bias??
ussr does not have the best vehicles in pretty much every category.
I dont find any air plane which is by far the best in its br.
And for ground they only have probably the best Air to ground loadout and spaa at toptier. anything else is just good or meh
1 Like
If Pantsir is imbalanced then Su-34 isn’t OP.
Your posts’ can’t have two contrary views be correct at the same time. That is the issue people have with those claiming Pantsir is OP as their post is implying CAS [including Kh-38 carriers] isn’t OP.
Ka-50 is a higher BR than and equal to its NATO counterparts.
I get that people really want two opposite things to be true at the same time when it comes to Pantsir and CAS, but that’s just not the case.
I am proof that you can have someone whose only deaths to Pantsir were me flying straight at it knowing it was there, and no deaths during CAS runs nor fighter duty.
By all means say Kh-38 is OP, that is a fact. Please, everyone, stop claiming Pantsir is OP or even great when it’s only great against GBU carriers like Tornado, F-14B, Mirage 2000D-R1, etc.
Saying Pantsir is OP undermines the work we want Gaijin to do.
War Thunder NEEDS Python 5 SPYDER equivalent SPAA, NOT Pantsir equivalent SPAA. And lying to ourselves that Pantsir is good when it isn’t only indicates to Gaijin that CAS isn’t as OP as it is.
For top tier, we have 4 helis, 8 different platform tanks (17 tanks total) that have yet to be modeled.
Helis without detailed modules make them extremely fragile than helicopters that do have them.
Tanks with turret baskets are extremely fragile frontally and to the side. It is unfair for other tanks to not have them.
There’s absolutely no reason why it needs to be extremely detailed as it provides little value to the game hence why I said it’s a waste of time. Having low poly modules will be easier to implement and easier to maintain overtime.
Remember, detailed modules isn’t for balancing, it’s to improve realism and have a new standard when new vehicles come out.
Top BR? Leclerc, Merkava, Ariete, Type 10, Challenger 2…
That’s 5, and they’re likely being worked on.
The rest have autoloaders/baskets modeled. And an autoloader being destroyed is worse than horizontal traverse.
My memories are strong for closed ground battles Panther getting its turret ring destroyed and me proceeding to get 3 frags before repairing, and more recently one of my many MBTs getting 2 frags with a locked turret.
Autoloader gone is worse cause that’s 1 shot.
It took them an entire patch to implement it only on 2 tanks. As I said before, low poly modules should’ve been the way to go so that existing vehicles can be brought up to the new standard quickly
That’s the thing, they don’t. Tripod provided some pictures on why it should have one:Gaijin and modern NATO armor - #923 by tripod2008
Yes, and T-series would be low-priority because they have autoloaders modeled.
And getting an autoloader damaged is a far worse situation than a basket getting damaged.
1 Like
We are playing a different game then.
No it’s not.
Gaijin nerfed it’s only competition which makes me think.
HE-VT is a better shell.
It also has much worse traverse angles, speed, fire rate and shell count. Lack of radar is a big deal on it’s own.
No radar, slow fire rate and awful gun handling.
None of those hold a candle to M247 and you know it. Why are we still waiting for counterparts ?
This is what you wrote. This directly implies that either M4 is undertiered or Gepard is overtiered.
USSR having 9.3 equivalent to the Gepard 1A2 is disgusting
Gepard isn’t overtiered as it’s better than M4. It’s impressive you still don’t understand this.
I’m not defending it, I’m just calling out your weird fixation on a single nation while pointing fingers at mostly decent vehicles.
You starting to defend M247 just proved you aren’t here for so called balance, but to whine about bias in a slightly different way.
Nothing weird from a guy playing mostly one nation.
2 Likes
It depends.
If you already have a round loaded and your autoloader gets taken out, you have an opportunity to respond quickly. If you miss, then yes, you’re cooked.
Having a horizontal drive taken out heavily depends on the situation. Assuming that no other component/crew has been taken out (unlikely), the enemy is within short range, the only way to respond is moving your hull. Hitting targets let along penetrating them is much more difficult and this is if the enemy is stationary.
All of what I just said doesn’t matter. Low poly modules should’ve been the way.
I’m so sorry. Your comment is reasonable and I would reply but I really was not trying to argue with the Horde of Russian mains that always flock to these posts to defend their precious vehicles. I have a lot left to do for studying today and endlessly replying to stubborn Russian players defending their SPAA from 2012 compared to SPAA’s from the 1980’s is neither productive or enjoyable. Hopefully at some point reason will prevail and everyone will get something even more powerful than a Pantsir (CAS should be hard). Absolutely zero good will ever come from this forum though between the echo chamber of people defending their oh so precious vehicles.
1 Like
It’s not even funny. It’s not Soviet or American.
Why should I do this?
their IOG in fact does not work, if you break lock even 5 seconds before impact on a stationary target there is a good chance it will miss by enough to not damage an AA
1 Like
You dont have to laser all the way until 3 sec before impact and they would still hit.
Russian bias in 4 easy points:
Only nation with a SAM good enough to shoot down current CAS
2S38…It’s far too good at everything, either it’s good at killing tanks or aircraft you cant have both…
Magical ERA Relikt…More like Space marine armour.
Su-34 and KH-38… oh wait Su-30 and KH-38.
Yes Russian bias exists and not because of autoloaders or T-90M
It’s because Gaijin are too dumb to realise that allowing a player to get a cap and a 1 kill to then spawn a fully loaded Su-34 with 6 KH-38s and a Fab3000 glide bomb is bad for game balance.
But they do not care and i’m sorry to say but FnF missiles like KH-38 are ruining the game.
1 Like
Do not get my intentions incorrect.
I have all 10 tech trees completed for air, 6 completed for ground, and the other 4 at least at 8.0 ground.
My first tech tree completion was Japan.
Different perspectives are always valuable.
@luque13
Relikt isn’t magical at all, it’s K5 with better flier plates.
2S38 isn’t anymore good at everything than VCC-80/60, Begleit, or HSTVL.
2S38 is below average for taking out aircraft as it’s competing with far superior SPAA platforms at the same BR in all 10 tech trees.
1 Like
Brimstone is shyte please don’t defend it.
it has as much HE as a frag grenade and does no damage unless it comes from top down which you cannot really do as…you have to fly low to avoid SAMs and CAP aircraft
Yes.EFTs yday flying low murdered pantsirs and our tanks like knife going thru butter.
that isnt always true, ive had times where the missile wont find the laser close to 10 seconds before impact, it all depends on the range.
but where it really shows how bad it is is when you cut laser before impact and it drifts completely off target in a couple of seconds
That’s because you had bad Pantsir players or a very good Typhoon pilot.
However anyone even a level 3 could get 5+ kills with KH-38 they have no skill level.
Switch camera, space bar, space bar, space bar, space bar, space bar, space bar.
“Target destroyed” “Target destroyed” “Target destroyed” “Target destroyed” “Target destroyed”
Most skilled war thunder player