Fair enough, I haven’t played the vehicle so I’ll take your word for it. My main point initially was talking about the T80 UD but we got focused talking about the TURMS because it is 10.3 as well.
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I’ll agree the T-80UD is kinda disgusting for 10.3.
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do you realize that the iglas are just as easy to doge, arguably easier than the stingers due to the lower overload and the lack of a proximity fuze?
the opinion of the iglas are quite often based on the old iglas performance before it lost the proximiy fuze.
They lost the proximity fuse? And are the HN-6 or whatever that the PGZ at 9.3 the same as iglas?
Yes they both lost it, the mayor difference between the HN-6 and the igla is that the hn6 is uncaged and while the igla is caged but it has that 0.5s of the thrust vectoring at launch, at range they are pretty much the same.
No.
Leave it be. Don’t try to ruin a good vehicle, it is balanced properly
No. It already struggles at 10.3. If anything, we should be considering to put it lower, maybe take away 3bm42 and put it lower, but bringing it higher is just insane
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My experience with them is referencing the fact that doing a slight barrel roll when stingers are ripple fired at you in the head on makes it easy to indefinitely dodge them. Mistrals will get you most often by the 2nd or 3rd missile because they pull better than the stingers. Iglas perform more similarly to the stingers in that scenario but they hit me slightly more often than the stingers do in that situation mainly because there will most likely be at least 3 vehicles ripple firing iglas at you.
Where iglas, and HN-6, have consistently performed way better than stingers is when I am flying away or perpendicular to the launcher and I pull a full turn once the missile is about 2 km away they will 90% of the time be able to keep up with the turn and hit me whereas stingers never ever keep up in a full turn at that distance.
Then similar vehicles should move up as well.
TURMS would have below average mobility and top speed at 10.7.
Indeed, but saying M4 should move up to 9.7 because of it makes absolutely no sense.
Move this average vehicle up because I don’t want you to have something I don’t.
Then you’d know that 9M39 has barely any advantages over Stingers.
Yes, M4 is at 9.3 while Shilka is at 8.0.
SIDAM Mistral is at 9.7 while SIDAM is at 8.3.
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From what I’ve heard the SIDAM is pretty ass (the 8.3 one)
Ok, let’s do it.
I’ve already discussed the TURMS with another commenter as there were quite a lot of people replying to my post.
Where exactly did I say that the M4 should move up in BR??? I didn’t. In fact, you mentioned that the SIDAM Mistral is 9.7 so that should move down to 9.3 as well. It is ridiculous for some nations to have the capabilities of an IR seeker spaa at 9.3 while others have to rely on 8.3 point defense SPAA. Move down at least the Ozelot to 9.3 as it is just a Gepard 1A2 without a gun.
I believe you really think I am coming for your Russian lineups to get them up-tiered to oblivion. I am not. I am merely pointing out the discrepancies in capability Russia has to other nations at most every BR.
So what are you suggesting ?
Then suggest adding some more AAs in that area ?
What discrepancies ?
It’s definitely not the only nation with 9.3 SAM.
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We aren’t going to agree on anything. I have made concessions about several things I mentioned but you continue to staunchly nit pick and defend even the most heinous examples I mentioned such as the Pantsir being acceptable because in some ancient time in the past, the M247 was OP. Lol
Have a good day.
M247 was and still is OP with other nations not receiving anything similar in like half a decade. But yeah, Pantsir is the main issue here and a proof of bias.
You still haven’t told me what’s so heinous about M4 being at 9.3 ? Do you even have some arguments that aren’t hearsay ?
Hellfire literally suck, it’s old and slow ash, nice bait tho.
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M247 is 9.3 dude. It’s better than any of the other early point defense spaa’s but it is also an entire BR higher than any of them. Veak 40 was the same thing at a lower BR until it got nerfed into the ground. PGZ ahead shells are at 8.3 and are tracerless so quite literally an equivalent yet at an entire BR lower than the M247. The begleitpanzer is 9.3 with even more powerful proxy shells just without radar guidance. The Chinese Zsu 57 has proxy shells at 8.0 and is incredibly potent at shooting down aircraft.
You are literally straight up making up stuff at this point but please, keep lying to protect your precious Russia. I am starting to realize this isn’t about “maliciously coming after one nation” but rather about you desperately defending your favorite nation.
Also, since you keep harping on the M4. If you had read my initial post oh so very long ago, you would realize that I was talking about the fact that Russia has 4 spaa from 7.3 to 9.3 culminating in a great combo of gun and manpad spaa with the M4 while other nations equivalents are at a higher BR or just don’t exist at all. This doesn’t mean the M4 is OP, it just shows favoritism with other nations’ equivalents being over BR’ed or not existing at all.
It’s quite hilarious how you can stand there and actually defend things like the Pantsir and then say that you are “just against maliciously favoring one nation”. That is just too rich.
Since you couldn’t take the hint last time, you are a pointless person to argue with so have a nice life.
What bait lmao, 475 m/s is bait how? Meanwhile AKD-9 have 340 m/s,AKD-10 have 345 m/s and L-UMTAS have 180 m/s.
Everything is wrong about Hellfires you do realize that?
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Not everything. Their IOG works, the only thing not working is u being able to choose the launch mode. But then u cant do that with Spikes either atm.
Yeah, but case is Hellfires is being compared to Vikhr, which is literally better in anything also Hellfires should hit from above like KH38MT.
why is it still a topic russian/ soviet bias??
ussr does not have the best vehicles in pretty much every category.
I dont find any air plane which is by far the best in its br.
And for ground they only have probably the best Air to ground loadout and spaa at toptier. anything else is just good or meh
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