It’s shared at the time where the action starts. This one just for laughs
Tbf, the problem anymore is less the tanks and more stuff like this
Okay? The T-90M has good protection against shaped charge threats (such as Hydras) due to the double-layered ERA.
I’m once again not certain what you’re trying to say here. Are you implying the T-90M is the best tank ever because it’s well protected against Hydra attack?
I just had a 2S38 fire NINETEEN APFSDS rounds into the side of my M1A2 whilst I was already down to two crew, and I survived anyways. That doesn’t make the M1A2 the best tank of top tier though.
This conversation doesn’t seem to be going anywhere because you’re just throwing videos my way that have no relation to my data set.
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Share the replay
Skip to 52 seconds.
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Imagine if the XM803 was any top tier tank with APFSDS instead of an XM803 firing a Shillelagh ATGM into the slat armor and engine block of a BVM
probably wouldn’t have made the video
Looks like genuine skill issue to me
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I’d probably agree, but then it’s also a skill issue for the LAV-AD guy in the T-90M video to not aim properly either.
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@Sternlos unfortunetly you’re useing logic and facts to argue with people that operate by feelings and prejudice. Its pointless. Regardless how much facts you show them, they will never exept it. Even a brick wall i more “reasonable”, compared to some of them.
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Everyone is playing Russian instead of other countries therefore the enetire battlefield is bascially only Russian tanks. And in this case it means there are more chance of BUGS that GAIJIN is TOO LAZY TO FIX occured always on the Russian Tank which make people believe it “bias” Because there is only Russian tank to kills always.
As should all the NATO tanks that have NERA blocks. They aren’t modelled correctly. Having Russian add on armour as the only ERA in game that actually works. Could be seen as a favouritism.
CR2 OES and TES could perform similary to the T-90M in terms of armour…But no do that attack with a CR2 and it would have the ammo cooked off…depsite being stored in armoured bins…Yet exposed the carousel and autoloader…The breach was destroyed, turret ring, engine and barrel, but that ammo was untouched.
That simply does not happen with a NATO tank
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Surely that gives you a larger data set to compare
what do you mean?
they say an image is worth a thousand words, (I’d love to see someone with mavs do this aka fill the chatlog up entirely with mav kills but then realised they are slower)
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Yep, spot-on mate. Hit the side of a KV1 turret with a 17 pounder, @ 10m and zero deflection; made a lovely hole dead centre. Before me even taking a breath it blew me up. Happens 75% of the time. Guess what…the bias spreads to ships also.
Shoots T-80BVM in the lower front plate, directly hitting a shell (doesnt ammorack)
T-80BVM shoots my barrel (that just fired a dart) ➞ my tank gets ammoracked
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Unfortunately CR2 is not immune to ammo cooke-off and those armored bins does not work like blow-out-panels on the Abrams/Leopard 2. In a conflict that shalla not be named, there are pictures of CR2 with dislocated turret exactly from the ammo blowing up.
Also the additional NERA/ERA block on some NATO tank ware installed after the expirience with urban fighting and shaped charge munitions in the second gulf war, not tank on tank combat. So they’re designed with chemical munitions in mind, not kinetic like the soviet/russian ERA.
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God the overhyping of the T-90M will never end.
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Im aware it’s not fool proof we have evidence of ammunition detonations on near enough all NATO tanks
While it is not designed purely for kinetic protection it is designed to withstand any 30mm autocannon projectile which includes 30mm APFSDS. From PUMAs and BMPS…In game though…
Relikt side plates combined with 4S24 ERA are overperforming as they act as a catch all and that simply isn’t the case.
Much like we have CR2, Leopard 2 and M1s detoanting from ammunition cook off we also have many cases of this happening to Russian tanks. In game though the ERA is far too effective and based on what we have whitnessed it simply isn’t the case.
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I feel like this whole “russian ammo doesnt detonate when hit” comes mainly from the different propellant/ammo layouts in the autoloaders and them being covered with the armor around the autoloader that eats all spall and is conveniently exactly the thickness on the cutoff of creating spall to not creating any itself but eating all spall created at the hull. While it can be annoying to miss the propellant of a t90 m by 10 cm, having your dart pass through the whole autoloader and penetrators, disable the autoloader (somehow t-series dont have a turret basket and everythin in there is just sitting on a autoloader thats floating in the air or sth) and do nothing else, for most of the russian tanks (t90s, t72s) that otherwise have terrible mobility, bad darts and bad reloads this kind of survivability is their only saving grace. If every hit to the side would be an auto kill they most likely would perform even worse and no one would want to play them, whether thats realistic or not. IMO it would onl be fair if they at least got a turret basket like the endlessly nerfed leos and abrams
For me it feels like, yes the russian mbts are hold w tanks. Rush in fast URAAAAA and just run into them, forcing the enemies to wiff shots because of short reaction times, because all russian mbts are much worse at playing slow and controlled or holding forward or any positions than the fast reloading and fast relocating mbts of other nations (usable ofc, but youre disadvantaged at that playstyle). and despite the t80 bvm and maybe just maybe the t90m also worse at sniping. So u gotta force the enemies to make mistakes. The times when russia top tier was dominating was always when endless hordes of good t80/t90m players were just rushing and pushing every position and just swarmed enemies on the flanks or objectives making it impossible to deal with all of them. if our frontal armor profile (and side armor to autocannons) combined with smaller weakspots (cause tanks are smaller in total) is basically you only upside youre sort of having to use it i think. If the enemies play accordingly and hold angles, hear you coming and know whats going on you can have a very hard time to succeed in using this “tactic”
As it is at the moment with a lot of good players that know the maps, that know the positions they need to go to and hold playing germany (and they respawn, what a miracle, basically no one leaves after one or two deaths and they move back onto the map and go back into positions and dont just sit behind the first hill at spawn) that is very hard to do. Relying on enemies making mistakes and missing shots just doesnt work if they don’t miss shots. and then youre facing tanks with an equally strong frontal armor profile but better darts and faster reloads. I think from the last 30 matches playing top tier germany maybe 2 or 3 were a loss and a lot of them was germany vs everyone else. Ofc combined and probably caused by IRIS-t that makes it almost unbeatable i guess.
But to a large part that is also a problem of good players flocking to the new shiny strong vehicle of the month phenomenon, having most tech trees grinded and just go for the most succesful one on repeat. Which it was with the su-34/su30sm/pantsir combo. Kinda hard for nations to compete with that like gb with not the best tanks and 0 aa, japan with good tanks but 0 aa or us with tons of premium clickbait sufferers and also no aa. And the other team has all the good players because they have the strongest vehicles…
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Quite literally happened by two players in one match.
Then I did it with the Harrier GR7 on a losing match cause funny.
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