Peten hah no wonder why understandable (if i was so blind I would have said skill issue but I’m not)
KA50? we are talking about KA52/MI-28NM
no Heli ever dominate but some of them aren’t some lackluster either especially Russian.
Lol that has nothing to do with being handheld
German tanks as a fact just are good, its something germany always excelled at.
At the same time geeman air is bad at high tip tier since we didnt have any development there
Germany is one of 2 original grb nationd.
Other nations like UK were added years later.
The result just is that germany has more vehicles naturaly, nothing to do with ebing handheld
Not realy same thing you can pretty much find in every tech tree in some vehicles
There is 10 nations by now, germany is a good tree yes but not the best anymore either.
Literaly nothing of that plays in to being handheld or being given an unfaie advantage
a couple things then im gonna move on from your absolutely room temprature IQ responses.
1- I went and watched a good few of your replays, you go sit in absolute abussive spots on maps, and snipe, and do not move, You sat for four minutes on the fields of normandy while your entire team had map control and moved up. You did not move.
2- If you like, I will go copy you and farm my KD up, ODL and make it look as if im some godlike player. or I can go about with my business and you, yours.
You are the one with this absolute hate boner for russia in this game and have been seen before saying russia should suffer.
neither dominate at top tier, both still use beam riding missiles which at that BR require you to sit in the open for extended periods of time.
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Lol, lmao even. And it doesn’t help Gaijin adds a billion T series to the game
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The tanks sat under BR’d for years, a lot of which still actively are under BRd .
theres being good at something then theres the likes of a Leopard one sitting two steps bellow the comparable tank.
The tigers sitting some at 5.3 for many years while sherman jumbos were at 6.3
Still makes no sense to have a tiger tank a lower BR than a sherman, or the panthers.
Quantity of vehicles was not what I intended to portray if so apologies, even trees with large quantities of vehicles do not have the versitility of the german tree.
Hardly, the leopard 1 was the only MBT of its kind to sit at such a low BR, it was the same BR as the Centurion mk3, and lower than the likes of amx30 which its objectively better than.
Or such as getting the best mig29 back when it was the best both russia and germany could access.
this comment to him was not about hendheld ness but the fact ark_boi has an obsession with bouncing into posts demanding russian tanks suffer, or that the game suffers due to them.
Both the game does not suffer due to russian tanks, and russian vehicles do not deserve to be treated how he wishes it.
He is hypocritical as hell with almost everything, crying about the BVM back in the day while the 2a7 is literally far, far more busted (strv 122 included) than the BVM ever was.
The BVM was a good tank, but as soon as these other tanks released russian top tier win rates tanked, if the tank was so OP as he claims they would never had tanked.
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It called know your limit you know you can’t win 1VS1 against what you gonna do?
try anyways and die?
that call “stupid”
Yeah but they lack damage that some bush or stay near wrack can also interrupt it some of them lack self-defense against air
Tiger UHT don’t even have gun and stick with only ATAS
Spikes are slow (180m/S)
not like they don’t have any weakness.
@RavenGuardMarine apologies mate im gonna stop responding here cause this has taken your post off topic.
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So anyways here coming from personal experiance with playing the T-80B and T-72M2 “Moderna” i have one issue with the autoloader not the reload time but with it sometimes getting destroyed by shots to the turret roof
Idgaf
Take it wherever you want, argue away lol
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It was kind of like what happened with Merkava where they tried to make the tank armored as possible, right before composite armor was developed and the armor became far worse comparatively speaking.
Russian tanks have lower skill floor lower skill ceiling. Abrams and most minor nations tanks are the opposite.
What SAMs lol? Most of them are not effective, and even if they’re they would get stomped on by Su-25SM3,SU34, the only SPAA that can be effective is the Pantsir but hold on, they’re on the same team.
Also forgot to mention how Vikhr can be aimed to destroy incoming missiles and maybe launch 4-5 at the same time, 2 will intercept and the others will reach the target pretty easily, but somehow all these advantages are still not enough.
Israel put crew survival first, that’s why it has the engine and transmission in the front, and a rear door with the capacity to carry people, so that a Merkava can carry the crew of another destroyed one. On the other hand, as you say, the armor of the first Merkavas was made of only metal, but the later Merkavas do use composite armor, like the Merkava 2D and 3D, and for example the Merkava 4 uses a special ERA armor, which works like the Kontakt 5 and Relict, but without eliminating the entire block when it receives the impact. What happens is the same problem as always, it is not known how much penetration for that type of armor in the same way that it is not known how much for the Relict armor. One can only speculate and use logic, and logically the Merkava 4 should easily stop ammunition like the 3BM42 or missiles like the Kornet.
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Do you even re-read your posts before replying ?
Stuff like MIM146 and VT-1 are more than enough to kill a Kamov as their missiles are much faster than Vikhrs.
With SAMs being much faster than Vikhrs, you don’t need to aim directly at the helicopter so Vikhrs’ proxy fuse isn’t really a factor.
No wonder you think RU equipment is OP seeing how you lack common knowledge.
@ARK_BOI
That’s the whole point, FnFs don’t need to engage (or win) a 1v1 vs SPAA as they don’t really affect their gameplay. You’re basically agreeing with me here lol.
That’s why they can quickly drop their load of 8/16 missiles and spend 10s rearming at a nearby helipad. Quantity of ordnance they can dish out more than makes up for that lack of consistency.
I understand their weaknesses but it’s pretty clear that Kamovs need to change their gameplay when AAs are around which will reduce their effectiveness, meanwhile FnFs can just ignore ground threats.
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You made the claim, you prove it. Should be a simple task.
they have far better , well rounded lineups BR for BR than any other tree in game.
How is this proof of the vehicles being hand-held? You’re pulling at straws already.
Marders 1a3 sitting at 8.0 compared to say the bradley at 8.3, or the bmp2 which is 8.7.
Oh yea, I dunno… maybe…
UNSTABILIZED 20mm (66mm of penetration) vs stabilized 25mm vs stabilized 30mm (both ~82mm of penetration)
4 ATGMs vs 12 ATGMs vs 8(?) ATGMs
Pretty sure BMP-2s ATGMs also have better penetration than MILAN 1s and TOWs that Marder A3 and Bradley use.
edit: the above is only partly true, MILAN 1s have 30mm more penetration, however Bradley’s TOWs have 70mm less.
You had leopard 1 at 7.0 at one point while the rest were 7.7 and then it still only moved up to 7.3 !
Player performance =/= vehicle being hand-held.
Congratulations, your entire argument is sucked out of a finger.
66mm vs 81mm vs 82mm
4 vs 12 vs 4
530mm vs 430mm vs 500mm
Marder also has thermals, working gun depression and reverse speed.
So does the M3, and it’s at a lower BR than the BMP-2 - yet I am not hearing anybody here screech that “US vehicles are handheld” which is @An_Pigeon’s point.
Almost as if the level of firepower on BMP-2s side is so much better that Marder and Bradley simply cannot compete.
Hey as long as you dont mind dude, dont wanna derail a full thread over our nonsense!
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Not even a full 20mm more penetratation from the bmps apds and the firepower from the missiles.in my experience is similar.
Why does one with thermals, lrf, better anti air capacity get to see 7.0 tanks?
The “not even a full 20mm more penetration” is the difference between perforating the sides of the more heavily armored medium tanks all three get to meet.
Why does one with thermals, lrf, better anti air capacity get to see 7.0 tanks?
Why does one with more penetration and more ATGMs, and thermals, gets to meet 7.3s?
We can play this game all day, seeing as M3 is here and sits at 8.3 - but that doesn’t suit your narrative now, does it?