Hi this is the revival of the “Counter Insurgency aircraft” thread from the old forums. Most of you should be at least familiar with what COIN is , for people who don’t know what COIN is. COIN both a doctrine and a type of light attack aircraft that is specialised in A: taking out lightly armed targets and B: Anti-armour purposes predominately used against insurgents though they can be used against proper military targets in a pinch. COIN aircraft are typically slow, nimble and pack a punch in terms of air to ground ordinances
One thing of note is that there is a large overlap between most [but not all] combat trainers and COIN aircraft since they go hand to hand
The next part is how to implement these aircraft since the addition of these aircraft is controversial due to how difficult is it to balance them in a historical, gameplay/balance and in some cases both. Because of that we need to determine if a COIN can be added to the Air TT with little to no issue and which COIN aircraft can be added either to the Helicopter TT or even a dedicated COIN TT
If there is any COIN aircraft or suggestions for COIN aircraft that i missed please let me know and yes Maritime patrol aircraft will be counted
List of COIN Aircraft [sorted by Nation]
US
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T-6 Texan family
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O-2 Skymaster Family: Also extensively used by Portugal
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OV-10 Bronco family
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OV-1 Mohawk: Argentina also operates this model
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The Mohawk was normally a Reece aircraft with some OV-1’s being modified or built from the ground up to use SLAR. The Mohawks can also be used as a light attack and COIN aircraft mounting munitions on 6 hardpoints near the far ends of the wings. Argentina brought several Mohawks during the 1990’s and used them until 2015. Some sources state that Israel also operated the Mohawk however i am unable to verify it
Convair Model 48 Charger
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Convair proposal for the LARA program that the US Army and Airforce put out. Ultimately it alongside the Cl-760 from Lockheed in favour for the Bronco from NA Rockwell.
Armament wise it basically can carry most weapons from the Bronco however it can use AIM-9B’s
Lockheed CL-760
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Lockheed’s proposal for the LARA program that the US Army and Airforce put out. Ultimately it alongside the Charger from Convair in favour for the Bronco from NA Rockwell.
Armament wise it basically can carry most weapons from the Bronco however it can use some guided munitions in the form of AIM-9B’s and Bullpups
AT-28E
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Prototype variant of the AT-28 Trojan intended as a COIN and light attack aircraft with a turoprop engine and expanded weapons load
Cavalier Mustang & Piper Enforcer
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Beechcraft YAU-22A
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Prototype light attack variant of the Beechcraft Bonaza, can equip unguided bombs, rocketpods and HMG gunpods
T-2E Buckeye: Built in the US, Operated by the Hellenic Airforce
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S-3A Viking
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AP-2H
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Specialised Night Ground Attack variant of the P-2 Neptune operated during the Vietnam War
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USSR
My knowledge on Russian COIN aircraft is vert limited so if you have additional knowledge on them or even any Russian COIN aircraft that i miss Please let me know
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Yak 52B
Technoavia Rysachok
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Technoavia SM-92P
An-2
Antonov An-72P: Originally built in Ukrainian SSR, later produced in Ukraine post USSR Collapse
Germany
There is [unfortunately] not a lot of COIN aircraft Germany operated let alone developed domestically. Also i’m trying to see if the Fantrainer can be armed with armaments
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Bu-131C-1
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A Bucker 131 Bestman Trainer modified to carry Panzerfaust rockets
L-39ZO: Also operated by Hungary
UK
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Britten Norman Defender
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The Britten Norman Defender is a multirole utility aircraft used by various airforces including the RAF including COIN roles
NDN-1 Firecracker
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Prototype Trainer aircraft that can carry some light armament loadouts
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NDN Firecracker: The Tucanos Baby Cousin
Short Tucano
Percival Provost: Armed variants operated by Ireland, Myanmar, Oman and South Rhodesia
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Scottish Aviation Bulldog
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Scottish Aviation Twin Pioneer
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Jet Provost T.5
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BAC-Strikemaster
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Technically in game in the form of the Strikemaster Mk.88 however that vehicle has some inaccuracies mostly in terms of it’s armament the specifics of which will be elaborated in the “Strikemaster Mk.88” Tab. The British and BAC did prototype the model. RAF pilots also flown Strikemasters under the behest of the Sultan of Oman to quell communist insurgents in Dhofar
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BAC Strikemaster Mk.82: Oh Man
Japan
There is [unfortunately] even less COIN aircraft Japan operated so it need’s COIN vehicles from other nations particularly Thailand and the Philippines to fill them up
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Mitsubishi MU-2K/LR-1: New Zealand and Argentina also operated the [same family of] model
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The MU-2/LR-1 is a Utility aircraft used in liaison, Reece and training duties. Normally it is unarmed but in a pinch can be armed with rocketpods, bombs and 50.cal HMG’s. Argentine MU-2 were used in the Falklands war mainly to aid Pucara crews mainly pathfinding
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Mitsubishi LR-1 (MU-2K)
Fletcher/PAC-Toyo FD-25: Prototypes produced in the US, Combat production Vehicles produced in Japan, operated by South Vietnam, current IP holders of the aircraft design and Civilian production vehicles [designated as FD-24] in New Zealand
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Flecther FD-25 is the combat counterpart of the FD-24 a lightweight aircraft mostly used for agricultural purposes. The prototypes were made by Californian based aircraft manufacturer Fletcher. Production of the COIN variant [FD-25] was handed over to Toyo, a Japanese based aircraft manufacturer while the civilian model [FD-24] was handed over to PAC.
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Fletcher/Toyo FD-25 Defender
Fuji MT-X: Unfinished/Mockup Prototype
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Fuji’s proposal to replace the aging Mitsubishi T-2 in a Advanced trainer role, it’s lost to Kawasaki’s design which became the T-4
Japanese MT-X programme and proposals | Secret Projects Forum
Italy
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Aermacchi AM.3 & SIAI-Marchetti SM 1019
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Both aircraft are STOL Liaison aircraft built by Aermacchi and SIAI-Marchetti respectively in the 1970’s. It can equip light weapon loads in 2 or 4 hardpoints
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AM.3
SF-260 Warrior family
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Caproni Ventura C22J
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France
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Fouga Magister family
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Dassault Breguet Guardian 2
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Dedicated Maritime patrol variant of the Dassault Falcon 200 can use Air to Ground and Anti-Ship armaments
Socata Rallye R235 Guerrier
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Light trainer and liaison aircraft with 4 hardpoints for light munitions, used by El-Salvador and Senegal
MD.311 Flamant
China
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T-CH-1
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Taiwanese Turboprop powered Advanced trainer and light attack aircraft developed from the T-28 Trojan
Finland & Sweden
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MFI-9B Militrainer
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A very basic trainer aircraft built in the late 1950’s. Used for a short time in small quantities by mercanaries working for the Biafaran airforce. Sweden evaluated the aircraft aswell however it was rejected in favour of the Sk-61.
Here’s a MFI-9 with floats (designated MFI-9BS) though it was only for civilian usage only operating in Papua New Guinea
MFI-17 Supporter
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Sk-61
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Swedish designation for the Scottish Aviation Bulldog. Can mount BANTAM ATGM’s unlike the British Bulldogs
Israel
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IAI-201 Arava
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IAI 1124N Seascan
Suid Afrika & South Rhodesia
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AM.3CM Bosbok
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Licensed built variant of the Aermacchi AM.3
AHRLAC (Prototype/Still being developed)
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Rheims-Cessna Lynx
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Other/Nations not represented in game
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Yugoslavia
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Soko 522
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1950’s era Yugoslav Advanced trainer armed with 2 50.cals and small bombs
Soko J-20 Krauj
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Dedicated COIN aircraft built in the 1960’s armed with a pair of LMG’s and hardpoints for bombs up to 100kg and rocketpods
Utva-66
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Yugoslav liaison aircraft akin to the German Fieseler Fi-156 Storch
Utva-75
Poland
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PZL TS-8 Bies
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Polish Trainer aircraft from the 1950’s. Normally it is unarmed however it can mount 1 50.cal and 2 wing mounted hardpoints for bombs and rockets
PZL TS-11 Iskra: Also used by India
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Advanced Trainer and Light Attacker armed with 1 23mm autocannon and provisions for unguided weapons on 4 wing mounted hardpoints
PZL 130 Orlik
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Polish turboprop advanced trainer comparable to the Swiss PC-21
Czechoslovakia and Czechia
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L-29 Delfin: Operated by several countries including the USSR and East Germany
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Early cold war trainer aircraft that can be armed with small rocketpods, bombs and lmgs on 2 hardpoints (one on each wing)
L-39 & 59 family
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Romania and Bulgaria
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IAR-823
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Light utility aircraft produced by Romanian aircraft manufacturer “IAR”
Lazarov Lav-7
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Domestically built Light Trainer aircraft of Bulgarian origin built in the late 1940’s, first flown in 1948. Is equipped with a pair of wing mounted lmg’s and wing mounted bombs (200kg max) with a possibility to have a defensive turret mounted in the rear cockpit
Benelux
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Fokker F-27 Maritime Enforcer: Also used by various nations including Thailand, Pakistan and Spain
Switzerland
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P-2
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A trainer aircraft designed by Pilatus during the end of the second world war, there were two armed variants, the P-2 04 and trhe P-2 06, armed with a wing mounted lmg and provisions for Small bombs and Oerlikon rockets
PC-7
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PC-9
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Spain & Portugal
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C.6
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The C.6 is a Unique Spanish variant of the T-6 Texan armed with 80mm Oerlikon rockets, domestically built bombs (both HE & Napalm) and 7.7mm Breda Safat LMG’s. Spain used them in the Ifrni war and against Polisario front insurgents in Spanish Sahara colony
HA-100 Triana
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Prototype Spanish advanced trainer in a pinch it can be used in a Light Attack and COIN roles. Armament consists of a pair of 7.7mm Breda Safat LMG’s and 80mm Oerlikon rockets
HA-200 Saetta family
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CASA C.101 family
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HA-500 Alacran (Mock up built only)
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This was a Ground Attack vehicle proposed by Hispano in the late 1960’s not only pitched for the Spanish airforce but also for foreign Airforces such as the Argentine Airforce. A mockup was built however it did not progressed any further from there
Do-27K: Built in Germany, modified by Portugal
Argentina
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IA 35 Huanquero
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Large postwar Argentine utility designed by the famed German aircraft Kurt Tank. Can equip 2 nose mounted 50.cals while Matra rockets and small bombs can be equipped on the wings
IA-58 Pucara family
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FMA MS-760 Paris: Originally a French Design, built under license and modified by Argentina
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The Paris originally a 1950’s Trainer and COIN aircraft by Morane-Saulnier was given licensed for production not only in Brazil but also Argentina. The Argentines gave their Paris’s various upgrade during their lifespan including greatly increasing it’s payload from it’s original amount. Argentine Paris’s saw combat service in the 1963 Navy revolt by the pro-army (government) airforce
Brazil
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Neiva T-25 Universial
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Embraer P-95 Bandeirulha
India
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HJT-16 Kiran
HAL HTT-40 (Prototype/Still being developed)
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Pakistan
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MFI-395 Super Mushshak
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Licensed variant of the MFI-17 Supporter with expanded loadouts, intended for Pro-Turkish Middle Eastern and Sub-Saharan Nations
Thailand and the Philippines
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Temco/AJI T-610 Super Pinto/Calí: Joint American-Filipino Venture
Turkey
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TAI Hurkus
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Iran
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HESA Yasin (Prototype/Still being developed)
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Trainer and Light Attacker that somewhat resembles the C.101 Aviojet though outside of appearance and roles they have little to nothing in common otherwise
HESA Bavar family
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Unique Iranian Floatplane/Ground Effect vehicle, normally wasn’t armed however it is speculated that it has some armament loadouts including LMG’s, some dumb ammunitions and guided weapons in the form of AGM’s and ASM’s
United Arab Emirates
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Calidus/Bader B-250: Joint Brazilian-Emirati venture (Prototype/Still being developed)
New Zealand
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PAC CT-4: Built in New Zealand, intended combat role for Thailand?
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The CT-4 was a light basic trainer. Normally it was unarmed however a pair of rocketpods were trialed on it, Neither the RNZAF or the RAAF had them armed so the rocketpods is mainly aimed for foreign buyers. Through a process of elimination i have concluded the CT-4 for intended combat is for the RTAF
BAC-Strikemaster Mk.88
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Already ingame however it is missing several secondary munitions types as well as having munitions that New Zealand did not have
Australia
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GAF Nomad: Also operated by several South East Asian Nations
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The Nomad was a lightweight utility vehicle. Normally it wasn’t armed however it can be armed with 4 hardpoints on wings and 1 fuselage hardpoint, exact details on what armament it uses is unconfirmed though few sources state it can use small bombs, gunpods and rocketpods
AAC Wamira: Incomplete model
Canada
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Canadair CT-133AT: Canadian Built AT-33’s, France also operates the model
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CL-41 Tutor family
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The Tutors were lightweight trainers built by Canadair to fulfil a requirement set out by the RCAF to replace their fleet of CT-133’s. Canada eventually accepted it into service however there is a couple variants of note
CL-41G
Dedicated Light Attack variant with 6 hardpoints (2 on the fuselage, 4 on the wings)
CL-41R (Prototype)
Trainer variant with a radar set from a CF-104 it only has 2 hardpoints unlike the CL-14G
CL-28 Argus
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Unique Canadian Maritime patrol aircraft based of the Bristol Britannia. Can carry up a total of 3600 kg of ordinances including bombs, depth charges torpedoes. Rockets and Bullpup AGM’s were also prototyped on the Argus
CL-84 Dynavert
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A unique Canadian V/STOL aircraft intended to be used on ships. Because of that it has several intended roles including anti-ship and anti-submarine roles. Can equip Minigun gunpods, depth charges and bombs on the fuselage. A proper Attacker variant was proposed but never pass the drawing board while the Dynavert never passed the prototype phase with only 4 examples being built
Artist impression of the proposed attack variant
Harvard IIa & IV: Canadian built Texans
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