it has armour? the T64A armour isn’t great but it’s no where near as bad as some other 9.3.
yes I am for real, you take a chieftain mk10 and give it a 6 second reload, the round itself has over 400 MM flat pen, and 190 at an angle.
it’s a fantastic round for the BR, the mobility on the T64A isn’t that bad either, bar in reverse.
The HMG isn’t that important either, though it is still nice to have one.
Like I said, the leclerc has reload and mobility advantage over the 2A6, that’s all it has.
worse hull armour
worse turret armour
worse round massively.
worse optics last I checked,
hoever better gunner thermals but lack of commander thermals .
T64a was just t72a but worse in every aspect at same br. But now it has some kind of trade off so its worth playing it now.
T64b got its br increased.
T80ud is prob only example. Because how the hell 11.7 t80u with bit worse reverse, bit worse round and no thermals is on same 10.3 br as t72b? It already looked like p2w compared to t72b but now its even more outrageous.
Rest didnt change much because they still fight better tanks from nato.
Still not as good as the T-72A/M1 that is in 4 tech trees. Besides, the hull composite is only 250mm of effective armor which means that most of the vehicles from 8.3 to 9.3 will be able to pen you. Pair that with a bad reverse and absence of smoke grenades, you’ll be a sitting duck if you mess up.
The stats who 2a6 being largely just behind the leclerc, however they are different tanks which play differently.
Statistics of the vehicle do not show what is better on it.
It’s not an debatable fact that the 2A6 has
better turret armour
better round
better hull armour
better survivability (4 crew over 3)
has worse mobility
worse reload
worse gunner thermals.
How those translate to ingame irrelevant, hell the SXXI which is regarded as the best leclerc has the same win rate just about as the 2A7V, which is 55.0 for Leclerc and 55.5 for the 2a7.
The leclerc AZUR has a 55.7 percent win rate.
the 2A7V has a KD overall of 1.56 percent, while the SXXI sits at a lovely 1.38 so not even a 0.2 difference in em.
would we now say the leclerc is a competitor for one of the best MBTs in the game?
No we wouldn’t.
Also a caveat where did u get those leopard stats from? cause on stat shark it shows me the leopard 2a6NL better than teh Leclerc.
It shows a rough estimate on how much weight those pros/cons have.
You’re now comparing tanks between major and minor nations, which I haven’t done.
Both the Leclerc and 2A6NL are a part of a single nation though.
I took it from the December stats.
Fun fact, this is now 7th month in a row where Leclercs are outperforming NL Leopards and that weirdly coincides with the addition of turret baskets.
Also, Leclercs were added years before than 2A6NL so global stats shouldn’t be taken into account, as those weren’t gathered when both vehicles shared the same environment.
For the past half a year and more there’s a clear trend showing that Leclercs are indeed better or at the very least on par.
Yes if you don’t understand the context behind it, which is something you did here to suit your claims.
There’s a reason why any semi decent county is either buying Leopards or M1s instead of that overweight, underprotected piece of junk. The whole doctrine behind modern UK MBTs basically gets shattered by a 500€ drone.
It’s highly subjective nation to nation. For example if you have a nation centered around highly mobile low survivability vehicles like sweden for example, their stats in lights generally out shine those like the US.
However not USSR, purely due to how many lights they have. etc etc.
Nout wrong with comparing tanks from other nations at all.
It’s merely yet another example of the leclercs stats.
Im sorry but it’s absolutely the other way around, global stats should be used to compare vehicles overall performance in the game.
It allows us to see how each vehicle since it’s introduction has been affected / affected matches as it goes with other weapon systems introduced.
You took the stats from december alone and broadcast them as if that was the overall performance of these vehicles.
ofc we see december above so I do not need to share that at all
So you see the difference? it’s taken a massive nerf of the gun depression, and the turretr baskets as some say, to bring hte leopard 2a6 anywhere near the Leclerc.
it’s still got the overall edge over it in winrate as well as a better KD over all.
You are joking right?
the CR2 is one of the most well defended / protected MBTs in the world still to this day? as has been proven in ukraine.
Jesus, christ the things proven itself time, and time again in the same combat situations as its peers and out shined them. @Razielkaine can tell u morelol
Neither are good at stopping rounds so that hull advantage doesnt matter at all.
Plus if leopard gets penned its turret basket and horizontal drive will get destroyed in most cases. Leclerc does not suffer from this issue currently.
Ok lets unpack this,
British tanks have suffered on the export market because of US and German market dominance.
Not because the tank is poor.
WW2 some of the best tanks
Early cold war the best tank the Centurion
Later cold war Cheiftain had issues with the power plant the rest was great
CR1 war tested performance stopped the MOD considering the M1
CR2 further development of the CR1 a little long in the tooth compared to later NATO iterations
CR2 modernised with CITV and armour addons.
CR3 a cost effective alternative to the M1A2 Sep V3 and Leopard 2A8.
It’s rich to me that you would slander British tanks while ignoring the fact the Russians have not designed a good tank since the T-62
Yes they will be able to pen the T-64A through the ufp if they got an apfsds shell. Only 3 nation’s 8.3 tanks can’t pen the ufp because they shoot apds shells.
T-64 & most of the lower BR T-72/80s could easily go up at least 0.3, T-80UD should already be at 10.7, now with the relaod buff there is 0 excuse, maybe even now 11.0 worthy maybe (fighting the T-80UD is 9.3 is the most stupid thing ever, heck, I find them a pain to deal with in 10.3s).
Though the truly stupid BRs are all the light tanks. Everything from the BMP-3 up should just get a flat 0.7 BR increase. Id also include at least a 0.3 BR increase for the BTR-82AT, Object 775 and Kriz.
Then their SPAAs need the same treatment. ZSU-23-4M4, Strela, 2S6 & Pantsir at a bar minimum should all get a 0.3 BR increase, but a few could easily be 0.7 higher. Tor-M1 Ive never really understood why its 11.3 and not 11.7 as well.
