Revising the Rate of Fire of the T-64, T-80, Т-72, ZTZ96, ZTZ99 Series and VT4, VT4A1 Tanks

That’s not correct.


Smin literally said: “Autoloaders have always been source based.”

And that’s exactly what annoys me here: Russian tanks get a faster reload that looks questionable at best, yet it’s not presented as a balance decision — it’s presented as “we have sources,” as if that automatically makes the result historically correct.

Meanwhile, Western vehicles keep eating nerfs and inconsistencies, often without the same standard of transparency. At some point it feels like Gaijin is breaking its own “source-based” rule in practice, and nobody in charge addresses it.

No clear statement from @Smin1080p_WT or @Stona_WT, no clear breakdown of what exact primary source justifies the specific in-game value, and no explanation of why contradictory values are ignored.

If this is done for balance, fine — that’s a different discussion. But then say it plainly: “Balance reasons.”
Don’t hide it behind vague “sources” and expect the community to just swallow it.

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aren’t Battle Rating a thing to balance? i don’t really want to engage 6s t-80ud in mbt-70

Teh same man has also stated they balance using reload even on autoloaders you realise that?

hence why the leclerc is 5 seconds and not the 4 it should be

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pretty sure those are each tank specific, dont think there is much ambiguity

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The max u can see are 4 BTW, when u get a full uptier there can only be 4 people a team a full BR above you.

6 sec should be

Giat Mobile brochure

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Char Leclerc. Marc Chassillan

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Le système Leclerc. FERRARD Stéphane et Gérard TURBE‎

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Executive summary - Leclerc MBT Observation. US DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY

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Dudes literally going ham on it as if there was no context or sources provided.
They are there, the issue the community has / should have is that they gave the T series realistic reloads yet left the likes of the leclerc and such nerfed.

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There are or at least was, old forum posts concering the leclerc it has the capabilities to at least fire 12 shots a minute at 5 second reloads under operator command. Im assuming though it’s used sparingly to prevent wear n tear, as well as the doctrine is to fire at 10 second intervals when on the move.

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/R0xYIxujmb8M

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No one good source. I qoute 4 good sources for 6 sec

pile of magazines

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Just linked u a bug report with multiple sources enough to make gaijin forward to the damn devs.
over 10 sources and even videos to show the reload can be 5 seconds under situations that require it.

Much the same as the type 10 can fire extremely quickly if needed as well.

i mean mate it’s the front cover, theres literally janes artillery and armour in there which aresome of the most credible sources you can find.
So pop off

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i quote 4 primary and good second sources. In report just pile bad magazines.

the rport is there for others to check, the first images are janes and such, stop ignoring evidence just because you are choosing to ignore it.

The part that annoys me the most is how posts like this are used. There is a sort of “just trust me bro” element to them in regards to what documentation is applied, how its applied, and in most cases, its not fair or balanced. When it comes to Russian or Soviet vehicles, its almost always to put their vehicles in favorable positions that seem questionable. But when it comes to Western or NATO vehicles, its to apply a nerf or deny them getting an improvment they should get.

Two great examples of this are the DU armor for the Abrams (and subsequently the M829A3) and the capability of Western MANPADS vs Soviet ones (I am sure there are folks here who can point to other examples, these are just the two I am nost familiar with). And to get any change or revisions to their stance, the community managers effectively always come back with something to the tune of “Well just forward us what is basically classified documents. But just an FYI, we will permanently ban you if you do”.

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janes isn’t even a source. They’re being removed from the report.

I’ll repeat myself: I attached the official brochure above. That report included obscure magazines, including some unrelated to military equipment (a Russian magazine on plastic vehicle models).

I attached the official brochure and two books from recognized tank researchers and developers, Leclerc. Amateur magazines are nothing compared to them

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/VXbZ2I3Oaato

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Yeah send those classified documents to me instead. I can be trusted and will put in a good word for you with the CI- I mean Gaijin. Ahem

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Then make a bug report and nerf the leclerc?

The other magazines are not inaccurate at all as far as I’ve seen for leclerc in my entire life alive lol.

Already

Then why are you here on a russian T series thread about it? Also why are you tryin so hard to get the leclerc nerfed lol?

It’s not gonna go down in BR.

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First of all, this is not my report, in case you haven’t noticed.

I responded to you and another person because you started telling tall tales about how the Leclerc’s reload is worse than it could be.

That’s not true; it’s better than it should be, based on the primary sources.