The fact that this change was implemented without giving tanks proper free repairs is beyond scummy.
There’s a video from Zenturion that talks about it.
Spall calculation for long rod darts only take penetration values, and it creates spall based on residual penetration that’s left after penetrating the armor.
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List one other than top speed.
The m1a1 and m1a2 have overall better mobility than the chinese mbts at 12.0.
1 - abrams has more effective turret armour due to the layout and shape
2 - ztz99a and wz1001 both have holes in tbeir turret armour that m829a1/a2 can scythe through.
3 - if you show either tanks hulls your dead but abrams is less likely to be one tapped due to no ammo rack/ auto loader on the floor.
Breach shot them commanders port done crew wiped.
Want to know the unfair part.
The fact they added it to only two nations
Their excuse for only adding it to two nations isnt even good. Its just a nerf to these two nations and will likely stay that way for a long time…
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It just a poor move ti add it to two nations.
Cant argue the nerf part because technically it is due to not being w universal thing…
Some tanks dont use turret baskets but ,cr2 being one and i believe the leclerd? Is another
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This is just blatantly wrong. The ZTZ-99 turret is terrible. yes the turretring is less exposed but the breech has essentially no armor around it + the roof is extremely weak…
the lfp on the ZTZ is also massive…
Its also just a horrible change in general as it rewards bad players that shoot at bad spots… This isnt what people wanted. People wanted gaijin to fix the bugs where rounds dont create spall and where components soak up all the damage…
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Exactly
The ztz99 II and III and 11.0 have good armour for their br but the 12.0s dall short massively
Definitely agree.
Theres hundreds of bug reports now if i read correctly that are still to be implemented, mechanics that need refined before this malarkey is added
Theres a much bigger weak spot on the left side of the abrams’ turret near the breach that will kill the commander, gunner, disable breach, turret ring and can penetrate into the ammo compartment, and its not a small weak spot either and its pretty easy to hit. Also literally all mbts have holes in their turret. Ive been consistently one shotting abrams into its lfp and ive pretty much stopped shooting the turret ring because of how much spall lfp penetrations create. Yes you can one shot the 99a by shooting the turret in a certain spot, but it usually only kills one crew member because youd have to be pretty lucky to hit a shot like that most of the time
Id like to see this weak spot cause while ive had shots wipe.me out its alway turret ring.
The ztz99 and wz1001 weak spots in the turret arw ridiculous mate you can near fire clean through the front of it.
The lfp of most tanks is a major weak point if you show it in an western mbt then youve made.a mistake
No, even with dm43 i can consistently one tap it through the turret.
And it happens to me in them.
The ztz99A or wz1001 suffer the same at 12.0, the m1a2 should not be 11.7 while tbey are 12.0
This is just stupid. M1 ofc doesnt get 1 tapped but it gets completely disabled and this weakspot is huge compared to ztz99
The wz1001 also get disabled or completed destroyed through the glaring gaps in the turret.
The drivers port as well.
The tank is objectively worse than the abrams.
- worse reload by a lot
- worse round by a lot
- worse armour by a lot
- faster in a straight line.
- worse overall mobility compared to the abrams.
- worse survivability compared to the abrams.
(Yes im aware the abrams needs the fuel tanks, turret ring etc fixed and quite rightly so)
Same as every tank deserves the appropriate fixes
Edit here’s a link to a forum post about the ztz99 models.
It is unbearable that during the process of resetting the 99A new model, gaijin not only weakened its armor performance, but also artificially created a weak point in the turret. This has resulted in 99A not only not improving, but also getting worse.
Gaijin created a huge triangular hole in the area near the bottom of the turret. and all related issues have been rejected. when I consulted the forum administrator, they absurdly asked me to submit issues. even though they knew that this method was deliberately obstructed. this forms a closed loop, like Soviet joke.
until now, the performance of the 99A（12.0） is still lower than the （11.7）M1A1aim . almost the same size of weak point area projection. or even more. but worse depression angle. even worse loading time. worse penetration of shells.
also too worse VT4, Its hull armor is still incorrect until now. the inclined area at the top still cannot eject the shell.
now, there is another imaginative VT5 .the designer has stated in multiple interviews that it can withstand 100mm shells. but gaijin allows it to be penetrated directly by machine guns.
It’s ridiculous that a game that loves to fabricate based on prejudice has such strict requirements for data
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Thus I rest my case.
Thank you an absolute million for showing this sir. and proving the point I made.
its absolutely criminal the state these tanks are left in, I got the wz1001 and bailed on them until some form of fixes are thought of
This I did not know at all, the VT5 IRL is actually an incredibly impressive piece of kit from what ive seen ,yet to inspect it ingame.
its sad theyre just cobbled together
Its wild to me that they do this and people just assume that the tank is great.
They are mobily but the reload, round, and armour are absolutely pathetic
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I played my leon2a7 last night, and took a direct side hit into the turret basket, didn’t break the turret drive, and only killed the loader, so I don’t see what everyone in opposition is complaining about.
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