Responding To Dev Server Feedback Regarding Turret Baskets

are you still playing the abrams?
its rivaring for number 5 rn
the numerous issue of it must be fix for it to maintain the number 3 otherwise the other tank would be better

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I could say the same about russian mains. U dont realize that this logic also applies to russian mains too. Russian mains didnt complain about ufo flying backwards su30 and u guys thought that wasnt ripped from realism and unbalanced when it comes to A2G. Not to mention complaining at su30s engines while u guys literally have the best BVR missile now. BRUH

Ofc ARB wise russian air was kinda trash but russia literally stomped GRB.

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All they do is complain everything that got nerfed in this game it’s because of them, but when people complain about their stuff they attack and insult them.

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the ad hominem effect

The sheet metal around the autoloaders is counted as the auto loader… you guys, yet again, got off lucky!

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The slightest sliver of spall destroys the auto loaders, I’ve experienced this on the receiving end, and on the giving end. They honestly have too low of health.

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No, they pushed it through because it’s more realistic and fair.

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It’s not more realistic, it’s been debunked already that gaijin is exaggerating how much a dart hitting some random area center mass would affect operations. It’s DEFINITELY not more fair since this only applies to two tanks that didn’t need nerfs while not applying to anybody else. The Abrams in particular was already very bad survivability wise and this makes it insufferable to play.

Realistic would be every T-80 having about half the armor and about double the distance on their turret tosses.

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Something something Russian autoloaders needs before anyone else something something

The abrams was never really bad to play, I enjoyed it like I did the Leo 2a7Hu.

Also your last point about the T-80 makes 0 sense my guy.

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Not to someone such as yourself, I think other people would find it funny

I did.

Still using both abrams and Leopard 2a5, 6, Pl and A4 while getting the PSO

The Abrams right now is still better than CR2, Ariete, merkavas, Type 10s, the chinese MBTs, and the leclercs.

id personally say its on par with the BVM , but you get as i said 4 TT abrams to 1 BVM.

and the 2a7 and STRVs are above it.
The 2a5 is worse than the abrams due to them all getting the m829A2 round at 11.7.

It does stand, the merkavas are worse still than the abrams xD

Yeah it seems that way, think ill unlock the mk4s but stay with the mk3s

Hardly, most minor nations struggle to even get a look in compared to the big 3 AKA USA , germany and USSR

No its not, the M829A2 out of hte abrams performs better than the DM53 out of the ariete.
Only on the L/55 caliber gun is the DM53 higher penetrating than the abrams L/44 caliber M829A2.

So that wasn’t true.

The fact ive made near 40k rp with them in about 7 game ssays otherwise, the abrams are very much worth grinding mate.

The russians have 1 good MBT the rest are mediocre at best.
T72B3/ T90M are still T72s that still have a -4 reverse speed, 7.1 second reload and are incredibly weak tanks.
The T80U has a pretty painful round in the 3BM46 at 11.7 while the Abrams have M829A2 with a 5 second reload, better mobility and armour if you dont just throw it at the enemy.
The T80U hull is substantially better in one area, the UFP, all russian tanks LFP will one tap them.

It doesnt spall any different, as someone proved to me on a different comment thread.

It isnt modelled in game is what I said, Same as L27A1 is modelled to be anti kontakt.

No it was proven to exist in 5 M1A1 variants at one stage or another.

Cause again like i just explained they werent within 500 meters of one anotehr firing high powered anti tank rounds.

The T80 Auto loader BS was something that cropped up with the BVM when people kept taking short videos and stuff about it but it was few and far between

No one said that, but theres a massive distinction between asking for the turret ring fix and demanding M829A3 , turret ring, DU armour in the hull.
I digress.

They just arent man, theyre the easiest top tiers out of the big 3 to take out, if you struggle with fighting T90s and T80s thats a you issue.

What is ignored from the USA? they have a list of reports that went through not a few months ago, from fuel tank shielding and material, to volumetric turret rings and other assorted goodies.

They actively deny or ignore reports on smaller nations when they are proved.

Costing 10 million per tank is a massive distinction from development cost.

Precurement is not developement, the main armour system, weapons systems and power systems have all been well designed and established for decades.
what they focus on improving now is FCS, and tank to tank, tank to base and battlefield cover coms etc etc.

Again no it doesnt.

Never said otherwise, but why does the objectively worse tank sit at a higher BR¿

Shows how much you know, the Leopard 2a5 has no ERA, infact, none of the leopard 2s have ERA in germany as far as im aware of it.

Most if not all top tier rounds can fire clean through the drivers side of a leopard 2PL, 2A4, 2A5 and 2A6 killing 3 out of the 4 crew. thus one tapping it.

Same could be said for you with USSR mains, seeing as you made the comment first about them crying.

When in reality I just objectively pointed out its the the USA mains who are on forums more than anyone else.

Theres no hatred here for anyone.

the R 77-1 is not the best ARH missile in the game, its better if the target is flying in a straight line not moving at all, as soon as the target pulls in any direction the missile over leads and bleeds a lot of energy.
Its fantastic for closer engagements however. It is not directly better than the AIM120s.
More of a side grade.

While the SU30 originally was ludicrous the thing still can do some wild manoeuvres IRL as well.

Who is they? because most people who have a “main” nation complain like fk that they arent top dog.

And those who play multiple nations look at it more objectively.

It isnt a bad tank that is why.

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I just don’t understand why the floor is part of the damage model… Because once it is broken the gunner can no longer stand and operate anything? Are they dropped on the ground???

Autoloader on t series tanks is a good example of internal structure, since it does not significantly nerf the tank itself. But addition of basket is definitely not a good idea. Just imagine both leopard and t80 get their main body hitted, t80 has another chance to shoot and kill, while leopard 2 need to run away(because they are not able to aim). That is what makes leopard hard, not to mention Abrams.

Im tired not able to return fire. The turret basket is a horrible idea. Especially since it doesn’t contain any elements to traverse the turret. Russian tanks are too op now, they always have the chance to shot back, while you can’t move, cant aim…its a game jesus. Why so unbalanced?

Also every hit is not factually a lethal hit. You either die immeadetly or have to wait for the follow up shot. While you can’t do anything. Bad.

It’s even worse because side shots that would normally kill only the driver now disable the turret ring as well.


And this happens in 9/10 sideshots. Disabling leopards and Abramses have become stupid easy.

This change has very severely nerfed the Leopards and Abramses to the point that Abramses are now not really even worth playing. As nearly every single penetrating hit will now cripple you to the point i’d rather be killed immediately. Absolutely dog water change.

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if the turret bask, even others modules like autoloaders, was resistant or even immune to spall damage it would much better.

rn you dont even need to aim at it to break it. if it was resistant/immune to spall it would reward actually skill shots and not any random shot.

I dont mind it being damaged by spall… i just think damaging the turret basket should slow down the turret rotation by 25-50% not completely disable it. I

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