I’ll ask you again, do you have a source for this or is it just trust me bro ?
For long rod darts spalling is calculated based on the shell’s pen, so higher pen rounds will spall better.
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F15E with some old JDAMs and mavericks from the 80’s comparing it with a modern missile just shows how the US is advanced.
He does not.
But there are folks with the genuine source that proves exactly what you said.
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chinese mbts are so much better than abrams in so many aspects. youre crazy for saying abrams is better than them
Oh man and I always thought the main advantage of having an autoloader was that you now have a tank that is fully operational with just 3 crew. So you can then have a much smaller turret. And in russian tanks cases with even more cramped interior an even smaller turret. which then is much lighter with equivalent protection. Which then makes it possible to put it on a smaller hull with still equivalent protection.
Ergo you have a overall much smaller tank that now is 40 tons with similar protection in comparison to a tank with 4 crew and 60 tons. Or somehow, magically in case of the french 60 tons with 0 protection. (Man those frenchies…what were they thinking producing the most expensive mbts worldwide while somehow being among the worst protected vs kinetic shells) Or supposedly 80 for the Paper mache merk…ah well lets not get into details.
But that might be just me.
Why in the everliving fk should that advantage of having a mechanical autoloader not have the drawback of that mechanical autoloader being a damagable module? Why should that commitment of deciding for that feature come without having its drawbacks? And adding to that why should that autoloader that is sitting inside a similar turret basket remain able to rotate when hit while a turret basket consisting of some wiring and a metal bottom shouldnt?
And dont even get me started on how the drawback of havin 2 of 3 crew cramped inside a tiny turret which should be a massive disadvantage in terms of post pen survivability more often than not just isnt, because the breech just full stops the whole dart or eats all spall or how just one of the turret crew eats all the spall so the other survives. If any of that was slightly realistic i bet after a penning hit in the turret fighting compartment everything would be red mist, instead the guy just sitting beside the dude that was just turned into red mist goes: well now it would be a good time to turn the turret and shoot the gun don’t ya think? but tbf that also goes for tanks with 4 crew so…
SMH
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I always thought spall is mainly linked to the caliber of the shell? I hate how these hidden stats (which probably are also different from week to week and no one can prove it unless data mining and reading through insane amount of in game files) are impossible to proof since afaik even in kill replay and protection analysis spall is only visible when it hits modules or crew. spall that just flies around without hitting anything is not shown. Or am i wrong in this?
Having got almost all the abrams, and most the chinese MBTs bar the VT4 and the 99A the abrams are miles ahead.
The Chinese MBTs armour isnt even modelled properly at all xD
Tell me what aspects are the chinese MBTs better other than top speed forward?
worse overall mobility.
worse reload
worse round
worse effective armour
worse survivability.
worse profile.
? what am i missing
In what world does the abrams have better mobility when its nearly 10 tons heavier while having the same horsepower? The extra penetration doesnt matter because youre only shooting at weak spots anyway and wont penetrate any other spot. The 99a has one of the best turret armors in the game and much better hull armor than the abrams, the only way youre gonna get one shotted in the 99a is if they shoot the lfp, no one shoots the weakspot in between the hull and the turret because its nearly impossible to consistantly do it unlike with the abrams that is a spall generator no matter where it gets penetrated. i dont even remember when was the last time i didnt one shot an abrams. the only thing the abrams has going for it is the reload
Mobility does not only include acceleration or top speed forward. Turning/Maneuvering also in thight spaces, switch positions in reverse etc also matters, arguably even more. Especially since just pushing straight into good spots in tanks with mediocre (frontal) armor is just a diceroll, its way more important at how effective you can be once you are in a position.
Also pen matters, especially angled pen since it determines at what angles shots (even at weakspots or sides) are reliable. 90 degree side? true doesnt matter as much. frontal pen at weak t series lfp? doesnt matter much. but shooting the angled hull side of a t80 bvm through its era? Matters much. How i know this? trial and error with weaker darts especially the cursed top french one which is a diceroll in comparison to dm53 or other top rounds. Also weak spots get slightly bigger if you’re shooting rounds with higher pen which makes especially shooting on the move and snap shots easier
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Mobillity is better on ztz99 thats no brainer
Reload agree
Round agree
Effective armor? M1 is huge weakspot. Not hitting it is massive skill issue
Survivability? 1 shot might not be lethal but definitely completely disables tank making it 0 threat level
Profile? Cmon dont be stupid. M1 is significantly bigger profile
Oh i forgot the chinese top mbts have the good transmission. well then the mobility is up to people to judge that play both i guess. 17kph in reverse seems decent.
What you left out is: Gun depression, Proxy fuze heat fs, but the chinese ones get he instead
The fact that this change was implemented without giving tanks proper free repairs is beyond scummy.
There’s a video from Zenturion that talks about it.
Spall calculation for long rod darts only take penetration values, and it creates spall based on residual penetration that’s left after penetrating the armor.
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List one other than top speed.
The m1a1 and m1a2 have overall better mobility than the chinese mbts at 12.0.
1 - abrams has more effective turret armour due to the layout and shape
2 - ztz99a and wz1001 both have holes in tbeir turret armour that m829a1/a2 can scythe through.
3 - if you show either tanks hulls your dead but abrams is less likely to be one tapped due to no ammo rack/ auto loader on the floor.
Breach shot them commanders port done crew wiped.
Want to know the unfair part.
The fact they added it to only two nations
Their excuse for only adding it to two nations isnt even good. Its just a nerf to these two nations and will likely stay that way for a long time…
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It just a poor move ti add it to two nations.
Cant argue the nerf part because technically it is due to not being w universal thing…
Some tanks dont use turret baskets but ,cr2 being one and i believe the leclerd? Is another
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This is just blatantly wrong. The ZTZ-99 turret is terrible. yes the turretring is less exposed but the breech has essentially no armor around it + the roof is extremely weak…
the lfp on the ZTZ is also massive…
Its also just a horrible change in general as it rewards bad players that shoot at bad spots… This isnt what people wanted. People wanted gaijin to fix the bugs where rounds dont create spall and where components soak up all the damage…
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