I’ve stated i got no clue about those tanks so you can understand my doubts lol.
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In their jet form, yes.
Really? I see them get played quite a bit.
Which is why you voted “no” to Italy needing a heavy…
Almost like the whole original post is saying this…
Not really a fictional name; it just means “Tiger” in Hungarian, which is how they would’ve referred to it.
No thanks, that would be awful. A single captured Soviet tank that wasn’t used as a researchable Italian tank is a terrible idea.
That’s an even worse candidate…
Considering the Hungarian army used IS-2s postwar, there is no need for 1956 captured IS-2s, nor for any Romanian captured IS-2.
Or a much better, more interesting and unique domestic candidate, the 44M Tas that the original post recommends.
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I’m just not sure why you jumped straight to assuming they are fake/projects.
Since it is somewhat of an old comment i assume i saw somebody else’s comment mention it. Mind you, the whole point that i tried to make was this one:
Regardless of anything else.
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Both were derived and slightly altered from the Gnome Rhone 14. Also, the Hungarian engine is called the WM K-14, and was produced in several different versions such as WM K-14A and WM K-14B, and even these seemed to have been made with different amounts of power, for example the WM K-14B is stated to have anywhere between 960-ish to 1085 hp.
IIRC, the WM K-14 was derived from the GR 14Kfrs.
As I said, they were made in several variants with varying horsepower, so the most powerful versions probably had much more.
I should have clarified; the reliability would not be relevant in-game, but how quickly it overheats would be.
I think the fuel tanks were better sealed/self-sealing, so maybe they would be better, but at least they are differences between a standard Re.2000.
The better performance would mean they would be slightly better for air combat.
I admit the payload options seem weak, but the 120 kg bomb load is only for the earlier variants of the WM-16 and WM-21, the later versions had a 300 kg bomb load, which would make them perfectly fine.
With the later variants of these with their adequate performance and 300 kg bomb loads, I think they are perfectly fine and comparable to the other biplane light bombers currently in-game.
The Toldi I and II (with the 20 mm Solothurn) would be perfectly able to kill enemies considering they have the same gun as the Csaba, and a gun as powerful or more powerful than the L3/33, M2A2, rank I SPAA trucks, etc.
And the later Toldis had a perfectly capable 40 mm cannon.
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You do realize it’s possible to think Italy needs a heavy while voting down the idea of a tank that is very well known to not have been built, right? Hungary quite literally could not manage, at ANY point during the war, to produce a plate thicker than 30mm. There’s a reason the front of the Turan and Zrinyi are stacked 25mm plates. The fact that there are no photos, no documents, no personal accounts, NOTHING, of a project of huge importance and potential national prestige makes this comically clear. Or are you going with the “oh well Germany just reversed the course it held for the entire length of the war to provide Hungary with armor plates so a prototype could be completed and never made any record of the fact but trust me bro” route?
I think even you know that’s not true when there have literally been reserve tier vehicles getting removed for being too weak (e.g. PO-2 and rank I French tanks). The Solothurn is nowhere near the worst armament on a ground vehicle when there are vehicles like the British Light AA with just rifle-calibre MGs which can only penetrate 10 mm of armour. Or French rank I ground vehicles with 37 mm guns that have the same penetration as the Solothurn, but without the rapid fire and without any explosive filler. Or Japanese rank I tanks with 21 mm of penetration. I mean the L3/33 CC has basically the same gun as the Csaba, but without a turret or an MG, and worse mobility and you don’t seem to mind. Most rank I SPAA vehicles are a lot worse as well, and the M2A2 only has a single .50 cal. So you’re very obviously wrong, the Csaba and the Solothurn are nowhere near the worst in any way.
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I seriously want to ask if you are a troll or something? Looking at your username, I wouldn’t actually be surprised. Do you actually care about what is historically true, or do you just want to spread blatant misinformation that can be disproved with a 2 minute Google search?
You must actually be stupid. Then what are those 35 mm, 50 mm, 55 mm, 60 mm and 75 mm thick armour plates on the Turan and Zrinyi series? And no, these are not stacked. Check on the WT Wiki if you are so delusional you don’t believe it. I honestly have no clue where you keep getting these ridiculous claims from. It is well known that the Hungarian tank industry’s limits were at 75 mm thick armour plates (not 30 mm plates), and that they bought 100 mm and 120 mm+ plates from Germany instead.
You clearly haven’t actually read anything about the 44M Tas if you wrote a sentence like that. There are photos of the 1:10 scale mockup. The photos of the actual tank were lost during the war due to bombing raids destroying the factory and much of the documentation for the tank. There are official surviving documents and blueprints for the tank (primary sources), I mean some of it is literally ON THIS FORUM! Not to mention there is a surviving component from the tank (the gun sight). There are plenty of personal accounts (a reconstruction of the tank was made in the 1980s from nothing but personal accounts). So again, you are completely lying to say that there is no proof of this tank.
You don’t even make sense anymore.
- The poll asks “should Italy get a researchable heavy tank?”
- You vote “No.”
- Then you say that you think Italy should get a researchable heavy tank…
Oh, and btw, you’re wrong again, it is very well known that the 44M Tas had prototypes being made. Not sure why you like to lie so much when your lies can easily be checked.
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5.3 for the 80mm one is a bit too low, it is a better T-34-85 in all aspects.
If you are judging by the statcards I made, then some of the information there is a little outdated and the penetration numbers for the 80 mm gun I just estimated, and it seems they are overestimates. I will have to remake those statcards later. For a more accurate idea of how it would perform, I suggest checking out the suggestion for the 44M Tas. I believe with the 75 mm gun it could be 4.7-5.0, and with the 80 mm gun it could be 5.3-5.7.
play AMC.34 YR then and you’ll see what’s the worst vehicle. I didn’t have a problem using Csaba. It’s a very good vehicle.
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Exactly, the AMC.34 YR can penetrate less armour than the Csaba, shoots much slower (nearly 8s reload time, it shoots 5x slower than the Csaba), has much worse shell velocity, only 2 crew thus is an easy one shot, and is way slower, especially in reverse.
The Csaba is really not that bad. My only problem with it is the ghost shells that often make half my clip vanish, but if that got fixed then my only problem would be the poor post-pen damage, but with some careful aiming and the good rate of fire, this isn’t a big problem. For a 1.0 armoured car, it’s perfectly fine.
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What I have experienced is that the tnt is too low with only 1g, which doesnt even pepper the enemy crew, so it feels like a ghost shell.
1g of TNT? It has 2.38g of TNT. It does pepper the enemy crew, but unfortunately only peppers the enemy crew.
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My bad, I remembered the L3’s values
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There was a problem in the production of 75 mm thick armor plates for a while since Hungary lacked the industrial capacity for that.
For a while, a 75 mm armor plate was possible only by placing three 25 mm thick armor plates together. Because of that, the first few Zrínyi assault guns had that kind of “sandwiched” armor. However, in October 1943 a new 75 mm thick Ajax armor plate was made. This armor plate had an acceptable 78-90 kg/mm2 (764.9187-882.5985 MPa) tensile strength and provided better protection against 7.5 cm caliber guns than the 50 mm thick armor plates.
The 75 mm Ajax armor plate’s composition: C 0,32-0,40% - Mn 0,9-1,2% - Cr 1-1,7% - Si max. 0,4% - Va max. 0,2% - Ti max. 0,15%. From that time on the Zrínyi assault guns all used this type of Ajax armor for their frontal armor plates. A serial 43.M Turán and 44.M Zrínyi probably would had this type of armor too.
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Falls under the new partial prototype category Gaijin added, so it can still be added.
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Italy could definetely get some great heavy/heavy like medium tanks.
Like, 44m tas, P30/43bis, Panther, and captured tanks (I believe they captured a Churchill, please verify that, tnak you)
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There was no Italian Panther.
Don’t have to be. Both subtrees used it.