That is precisely why gaiin should have implemented the 5.5 cm weapons on it:
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I was going to make a reply saying “yeah gamepad AA + german spaa spam + unobtainable magic vehicle I can’t even test-drive = bitch about 341 post”
But then I scrolled up and read each reply and figured it’s not even worth my time with the low IQ takes I saw.
Kicimijazawa actually brings more information on the vehicle. Props to him for not writing a passive-aggressive/insulting post.
Everyone else is just saying “skill issue” or some schizo essaying. “Those who own it are superior to you” lol miss me with these takes.
Y’all morons just like me, cant even see the bigger picture. If “skill issue” is the only thing you can say, don’t waste your time and move on.
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That would be cool but since the wooden mock up version got removed, the 5.5cm version would need to exist as something more than a wooden mock up.
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That would probably be considerably worse than the current 341. The 5.5cm guns have around half the cyclic rate of the 3.7cms, and with considerably less ammo in reserve. Meanwhile, I can’t find any concrete source for any AP round being developed for it, meaning it can’t pull a ZSU-57 and act as a pseudo light tank due to it’s high caliber. Muzzle velocity is pretty great though, it might have some use taking down high alititude bombers like the Lancasters and Pe-8s.
Either way, more SPAA is always a good addition. I don’t mind prototypes with this much available information.
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Main reason for removal of Coelian was lack of evidence to support its existence and also argument that Germany has enough vehicles in that bracket. They gave Japan imaginary vehicles and kept it there because Japan really had no other option. I would like these sorts of new vehicles too but it’s unlikely that gaijin add them for same reason they removed Coelian, Tiger 10.5cm and Panther 2.
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That justification never made any sense because they immediately replaced the 341 with the Ostwind II, a vehicle that’s practically as fictional as the 341 was. The Coelian had a wooden mockup for a turret, while the Ostwind II might have had a single prototype developed, however there are no concrete sources to my knowledge. They aren’t even sure if the guns are supposed to be mounted side by side or one over the other, I’ve seen arguments for both.
At least we know what the Coelian was supposed to look like, and we know the stats the proposed turret would have had. The only reason to reject it is if you somehow believe Germany was incapable of producing a turret to those specification. Which is frankly absurd, and also not something Gaijin has worried about for muich more ambitious projects (Looking at you, Krondstadt).
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Yeah, but looking at the Russian navy tree, fantasy vehicle is okay. :P
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Just spawn a tank.
No the argument was that it’s turret was just a mock up thus beeing a “fake vehicle”. There was no other reason.
The german naval tree too, look at Z46 and Z47. They have different rules for naval as to what can come and what cant.
Weird arbitrary restrictions, but here’s the Krohnstadt anyways which somehow isn’t fantasy.
Skill issue, move along.
Sigh - go away.
And you too - don’t care - I told you the reasons they gave - there’s no point arguing it.
The only policy they same to actually be rigid on.
because it’s cool
I disagree I’ve seen like 4 in ~100 US 6.7 Games
It was removed because it’s a fake vehicle lol
You could probably bump it to 7.0 but it’s not overpowered against CAS it’s just a silly panther, unless you’re facing it in a downtier you should be able to lolpen it with any nation in the 6.7+ BR range
It existed as a wooden mock up it just was never made in to a prototype
“A single prototype was built by Ostbau in January-February 1945, but the Ostwind II never entered production.”
Literature:
- Jentz T., Doyle H. Flakpanzerkampfwagen IV and other Flakpanzer projects development and production from 1942 to 1945. – Panzer Tracts, 2010
- Ledwoch J. Flakpanzer. – Militaria, 1999
- Terlisten D., Duske H.Flakpanzer IV Wirbelwind (Sd.Kfz.161/4), Ostwind and Kugelblitz. – Nuts & Bolts Verlag, 2010
This is a more completely sourced article, and covers the contradictory sources in more detail.
Ultimately, the only sources are some technical drawings and supposition. Without photographic evidence, and given the various technical problems the project would have had to overcome at a time when Germany was cripplingly low on resources to solve such problems, I think it’s fair to say it’s existance is at least debatable.
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I dunno if stapling a second gun inside an open top turret would have been super technically challenging
Either way It’s not outside the realm of possibility and a prototype having been built meets Gaijin’s requirements for “no paper tanks”
I don’t think it being in the game actively harms historical realism or game balance it’s not exactly overpowered and it’s certainly not the Coelian lol
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I think you misunderstood my point, I wasn’t claiming that the Ostwind II is definitely fictional and shouldn’t have been added, I was merely saying that removing the Coelian for being “fictional” and then replacing it with the Ostwind II, a vehicle that’s practically as fictional, made no sense. There was room for both vehicles in the German tree if needed, and both have enough documented sources about them that their in game renditions could be made accurate.
As for the technical difficulties, it’s worth remembering that the default Ostwind turret was already considered cramped with a single gun. And the original 3.7 cm Zwillingflak 43 oreintation was vertical, which also had to be reworked to fit into said cramped turret. It certainly wouldn’t have been trivial, especially with just a few months of the war left, most of the Germany heavy industry in ruins, and severely limited resources to throw into a somewhat low key prototype like this. Again, not saying it’s impossible, just saying that it’s not certain.
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