that is arguable… sure
but you and i both know that the cupola shots, 70+ percent of them do WAYYYYYY too much damage and kill Way too many crew members.
And it can be said about almost all things in game?
Why should I? To cope on forums?
no… it cant… cupolas are just… floating up there and are not a side shot or anything… it does way too much damage and kills way too many crew members to shoot cupolas in the game
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Another cope
Just git gut bro
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he gets killed in a m24
Yea but You were also faced with examples where cupola shoots in real life made a lot of damage
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yeah. SOME shots… but id wager that 99% of the time they just got deflected or blew the hatch off (and of course damaged/removed the guns mounted there)
Which… is what they should do in the game. NOT some magic bullet BS where the rounds bounce around and kills your crew… its absurd.
I have seen many cry babies on the forum but you are on another level. I have never seen a single guy complaining about cupola before.
They can’t just give unrealistic things to some certain tank.By your logic soviet mbts should get -100km/h reverse speed just because they suck at reverse.Abrams should get a railgun then.
The majority of cupola shots work precisely because the armor on the cupola is weak enough to let the APHE round go in, but strong enough to stop the APHE round when it tries to breach to the other side.
That said, the argument of “APHE should explode in a cone” stops working for this specific scenario. The “cone” only happens when the APHE has momentum, and that simply doesn’t happen as cupola shots work specifically because the round loses all its energy when it tries to go through the other side of the cupola.
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yes… APHE, and HE are the main offenders…but it happens with All rounds. Which at that point, it is an Exploit and simply does Way too much damage…
APHE is the exploit, cupolas are the victim. APHE doesn’t create a sphere of death, it creates additional forward spalling.
Ok,… so first things first:
→ OP is raging about Cupola shots
→ OP claims this should not happen → without proving it even a little
In the other side, there is 2 sides:
A
→ people answering with explanations that cupola shot are to be expected, aslongside physical/mechanical based arguments
B
→ Trolls, loving to get OP on his nerves(which is easy to do,…)
So now:
In order to set this off one day, Go use a 3d modelling and calculation software to make
→ simulation of a single AP shot
→ simulation of an HE shell
→ simulation of APHE shot
→ simulation of an APCR shot
Considering the model of a Tiger E (Turret,Cupola,Living room of the hull, with details such as Gun breach)
Shouldn’t be too hard to do, if you really want this to be fixed, off course.
The point I quite literally just made is that APHE makes additional forward spalling when it still has momentum at the time of the explosion.
Due to the nature of how the cupola weakspot works, APHE rounds specifically wouldn’t have left over momentum when exploding. So yes, they would actually send shrapnel in a sphere of death.
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You are saying a 88mm hitting a 60-100mm armor cupola wouldn’t have any forward momentum? Amusing interpretation of physics.
The Tiger 2 88mm has 1/3 the explosive mass of a M67 grenade. In addition, the shell of the round is significantly thicker than a grenade, mitigating a lot of the explosive potential. The intent of the HE charge is to fragment the round to create a forward cone, not to act as a grenade effect you see in game.
What you’ve shown is a complete inability to read what has already been put in front of you.
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I’m saying your drivel is bullshit. You can keep quoting it, doesn’t matter if its wrong.
Lets start with what happens when a APHE round fails to defeat an armor surface.
Many times its going to do this:
This is an AC shell, but performs the same as APHE. The explosive mass inside decouples with the shell wall and the fuse fails to perform a full detonation due to round deformation. Without the contained walls, the shell is going to disintigrate as much as ‘explode’.
Lets say the round remained intact. You get this
The grains aren’t lethal, only the metal fragments. The explosive force looks big, but its a 30-60 gram explosive in most APHE shells. This isn’t creating a ‘sphere of death’. Most of the metal fragmentsa re traveling only a tiny portion of the shell’s initial speed. This is creating a tiny fraction of the lethal fragments we see in game. Thats why many nations used AP rounds rather than APHE, because the lethality WASN’T significantly different.
Then we can talk about how APHE can overpressure tanks. Just a few grams of explosive mass can kill an entire tank crew. Completely unrealistic but another factor of APHE that increases its lethality.
the biggest joke is that gajjin apparantly can turn it on or off like a switch.
In the past you could kill the T95 with cupola shots reliable. Now its not possible anymore (i guess because of US cry babies).
the biggest joke is the Foch which you can oneshot if you hit the rangefinder.
if that would be such a weakspot in reality the engineers would not designed it that way.
yup, ive heard of this too. it simply should do no damage (or negligible damage)
it is an Exploit. Anyone that disagrees is lying or incompetent (and wrong in either scenario)
(also saying the biggeST joke… twice for both of your points… is kinda… iffy)