Tbf, helps if the game wasn’t just a jousting simulator. I always lose b/c I’m limited to 2xAiM 120s and 2xAiM 9s v jets that carry 8+ ARH. Any time I get close enough to fight, here comes 4+ ARH at 4 miles… it’s pretty boring up here. I personally think Gaijin should make ARH missiles 20k a missile to bring back actual fighting and not what it is now.
Im going to sound like an scumbag but either you are stock which is ultimately irrelevant annecdotal experience since stock grind sucks for everyone and has little to no bearing on how spaded aircrafts performs
Or
You are flying a plane that can only carry such missile combo which means you have lower BR to begin with (such as the thai ARH tiger) and IIRC you cant see 8x ARH planes anyway (not in game rn so i cant check).
As in SL cost? Lol.
I get (relatively) plenty of dogfights with guns and IRs, trick is to not die in the first 3 minutes of the game
That’s the hard part for some people
Yeah, I’m stock but that also shows that the game is built around just throwing missiles at eachother rather than actually doing any other objective. Heck, you can’t even win anymore by bombing everything out anymore.
Exactly what I’m talking about. It would be a great way to bring back actual gameplay and incentivize something more than “spam missiles at target, turn away”.
I mean, good for you? I’m usually the last ones left v half the enemy team b/c my team decided to joust like it’s the middle ages? And again, that doesn’t change the fact that most of the fight turns into a fighter that held their missiles and just spams them once you get within 4 miles.
Thats on gaijin not adding more indepth objectives and instead relying on same match layout that 1946 prop planes did, not on BVR existing
If you dont find BVR fun thats perfectly fine, but this “idea” (unlike, say, RB EC which would fix way more issues with ARB) would ruin the fun for others who might find it engaging.
If you dont want to deal with radar missiles, theres some 10 other BRs below 11.3.
Unfortunately, they have changed it from what it used to be. There used to be proper Ai bomber formations on maps but the fighter mafia cried about how OP bombers were (because they’d sit right behind them at the same airspeed), which is also what lead to the gunners getting nerfed. Same thing with airfields being bombed and if you bombed all ground units and bases, you’d win.
I’m fine with BVR but being spammed with 8 ARH missiles at 4 miles isn’t BVR, that’s just missile spam. It isn’t engaging, it’s just hoping your enemy doesn’t have the same capability. I’ve lost count on the number of jousts that I’ve watched where both parties die b/c that’s all it is now.
I do find it comedic you’re trying to paint this as “skill issue” rather than actually addressing the issue of there being no gameplay loop outside point blank missile spam.
And why do you think it isnt skill issue?
I took my F/A-18C early out this weekend after a long time and within those 36 games i played im sitting at 80% winrate and KD of 4.34 (begs the question of what i was doing when i first got the hornet because lol)
Most of my kills happened around 16km range.
Before that I was flying out MKK mostly, not sure about my exact performance with it but most kills happened also at range.
The no. of cases where I get spammed ARHs at 3km is minimal and is result of my positioning mistake.
I have no one to blame but myself for ending up in position where I get spammed to death by ARH carrier close range.
Same on my end except in the typhoon and at 20~40km. If I’m much closer than that I’ve either got 1 enemy left, am going for a sneaky 9M shot, or have really, really messed up.
“I cant notch ten missiles coming from four different directions!”
Dont get ten missles launched at you from four different directions I suppose.
So still comparing apples to oranges. Again, 4 miles isn’t BVR and it isn’t 16 km (which is almost 10 miles, which gives you time to get into a notch). It also doesn’t negate that Gaijin should increase the cost on ARH missiles to equal the playing field and stop the missile spam gameplay loop. “Oh, but just position better”. Oh please, do explain how to “position better” in a 1 v 4 because your team decided to joust and lose at the start of the match and all you get is 2 ARH and 2 IRAAMs?
I think you just have severe case of skill issue tbh.
Now why did you allow the enemy to get so close?
The cost would also apply to your two stock missiles just FYI.
And it would do nothing to balance out the issue, just as lower repair costs did not fix one death leavers.
Again, stock loadout experience does not matter that much, its equally bad among all planes.
And you simply have to do your best in putting pressure on the enemy so that it doesnt end up 1v4.
Spade your plane first.
So go ahead and take to IRAAMs and ARH missiles out then… Oh wait, your 14.0 BR experience is from a premium plane (which, isn’t even true as the Su-39MKK is 13.3).
Idk, probably because it’s a multiple enemies v a single me with 2 long range missiles… do you think before responding or are you just trying to be a bad troll?
Cool, I’m fine with that. Again, the gameplay loop should be more than “who has more ARH missiles to throw”.
I feel like you’re missing the point and that you just have a COD mentality of “fast gameplay loop is fun because action”. This is the same exact mentality that’s lead to the dead gameplay loop of missile spam and there’s no new game modes.
I suppose my EFT and other planes ive played when they were top (like both MiG-29Gs) dont count.
Positioning issue
You tell me, you keep somehow magically getting into 1 vs multiple opponents when the game starts 16 v 16.
Where are you when the other 15 team mates of yours are getting slaughtered?
It absolutely is more than that lmao
My average time alive for ARB is something 10 minutes.
Is that supposed to negate that the only gameplay loop atm is “spam more ARH missiles”? Congrats, same thing I had to tell Beeschurger of that’s why the game has no new gamemodes
The MiG 29G is 13.0. Congrats, on the EF-2000, let me guess, the gameplay loop you had (because I can’t go view the matches) was to wait until other people got into a fight then steal the kill like you’ve been doing with the F-18C by launching missiles point blank?
Yeah, you’re just trying to be a troll. Go take any of these planes at 14.0 and win a 4v1 with 2 ARHs and 2 IRAAMs.
Not jousting like they were. If you were reading the comments, you would have noted where I already stated this being a common occurrence.
Cool, that’s COD length matches. ARB used to be 30+ minutes.
;)
No.
Also you will find that launching ARH that does not care whenever you are friend or foe straight into the digfight is terrible idea ;)
I suppose all those 16km launches dont count lol
Four players like you vs me, i take my chances :^)
Oh buzz off, jousting is pretty much common occurence, you likely just crawl along the MP alt and wonder why people outrange you
Cool, now tell me how long is the CURRENT average top tier wt match.
All and all you have yet to present coherent argument to convince me, let alone gain traction and convince gaijin.
So i will likely go back to doing whatever i was doing and nothing will change; you can stay here and scream at the wall i guess.
well. top tyer is most new player frendly ,trust me. its gaves oportunity to be new. unexperienced but steel get kills. just chill calm down. take ur time in game. and when u die dont get mad just remember why .chek minimap… every tyer have own meta play stile people are pushing so. just tace ur time. dont force things ucnt do iet. and base bombing in air rb. whyt slow shit like f18. its not best way to play it.
like 8 mins because one guy ran away