Remove or add a toggle on/off section for MIG23ML radar mode auto swap

[An_Pigeon]

@Morvran_

Perhaps, but given that the only things you have at 11.7 on bluefor are mud movers like Tornado Gr1 and A-10C, I dont think this is all that big of a deal. Bluefor doesnt get another fighter until 12.0.

While I agree with the sentiment, have you seen how much damage these A10C’s are doing? they got a minted RWR, HMD, 4 x 9Ms ofc the Gau 20mm and ofc hte ground strike capabilities, they arent in a bad spot.

The tornado GR1’s and such yeah.

@Morvran_

Given you have IRST, I’ve heard just running 4x R-60M and 2x R-24T and not even using the radar is an incredibly powerful tactic.

See, I seen folks saying that too, yet when Fighting mig23s Ive always got either lucky or outplayed it with popping a CM at the right time.

The R24Ts arent very good in my experience, Im going to at the weekend try the MLD in sim and see how it goes, considering that stuff like F18A are within its range I dont feel too confident xd

(shockingly the F18 sits too low in sim as well btw)

@Morvran_

Id just do what I do in the FGR2 or F3. Sit at max reheat and never turn. Just BnZ to victory.

An Pigeon:

Thats great until someone catches you out and slings a missile your way, it has that much thrust missiles ill breadcrumb CMs or just ignore them
why tf we work IRs on thrust and not heat is excentric but hey ho

@Morvran_

Yeah… 2 Br changes, no Sim Changes, not even new brackets. We need a 12.3 and 13.3 brackets.

An Pigeon:

genuinely whats killed sim for me rn is taking out a generation 3 plane, Tornado, FGR2, mirage F1 , you know those sort of pre hyper advanced but still modern enough to have nice FMs or radars etc and you just get kerb stomped by F16s and F18s cruising around.

@Morvran_

It did get a few buffs like PDV getting IFF and EEGS, but they’ve still made a number of stupid decisions for it, like adding centre line tanks instead of wing tanks

Or not giving it the historical Aim9LS which is a hill ill fking die on it should have them.
Fk even aim9H’s for the sake of balance.
It has basic Aim7E-2 missiles not the super temps which are akin to 7Fs.

has spey engines so cant really get much past mach 1.12 in my experience without taking forever.

has a gun pod so it loses some performance.

As you say no wing fuel tanks which is just silly.

And its radar while slightly buffed is still abhorrent compared to even a standard search PD radar xd

[Morvran]

@An Pigeon

(shockingly the F18 sits too low in sim as well btw)

The issue is the lack of a 12.3 bracket. So all 12.3s (and 12.0s when off their single bracket) are all forced up to 12.7 and a confused mess. Also you have no redfor premiums at all at 12+ so matches in that region are always F-18 vs F-18 which is rather dull.

@An Pigeon

why tf we work IRs on thrust and not heat is excentric but hey ho

It does kinda make sense when looked at for early jets and early IR missiles, but is woeful for anything more advanced and shockingly bad for the state of the game now.

@An Pigeon

It has basic Aim7E-2 missiles not the super temps which are akin to 7Fs.

It cant use the TEMP (litereally stands for Tornado Embodied Modification Package) so the best it can use is the DFs.

I wouldnt mind the Skyflash DFs but there is something funky going on with them when used with PDV

[An_Pigeon]

@Morvran_

The issue is the lack of a 12.3 bracket. So all 12.3s (and 12.0s when off their single bracket) are all forced up to 12.7 and a confused mess. Also you have no redfor premiums at all at 12+ so matches in that region are always F-18 vs F-18 which is rather dull.

aye It becomes rather Tedious.

@Morvran_

It does kinda make sense when looked at for early jets and early IR missiles,

yeah it made sense when you had aim9bs and the likes being used on sabers, or the early jets like mig19 and F104, but then when you have aim9G, aim9L, 9Ms, R60s, R60Ms, fuckin R73 etc etc combinec with extremely high thrust planes it sort of kills a lot of planes, look athte fking F5C its as if its IR signature is non existant cause it has low thrust.

@Morvran_

It cant use the TEMP (litereally stands for Tornado Embodied Modification Package) so the best it can use is the DFs.

I wouldnt mind the Skyflash DFs but there is something funky going on with them when used with PDV

Yeah thats what I mean, the Skyflash DF are the same as the Aim7E-2 and the super temps are more closely related to the aim7F though better.

The DF skyflash were only good back when I first got the FGR2 then FG1 then something strange as hell went on and htey just didnt seem to want to go where the lock is.

Like its just not useful at all, combine that with a fat phantom with only 9Gs and it kinda is sucky at its BR

[markimash]

I havent played the mld but the ml has been fine.

It does get less radar missiles though. I am not a fan of the r60s but the radar it still better at low alt fighting than the f4e by a lot.

The r24r is pretty good but the limit of 2 sucks. I would gladly lose the 4 r60s for 2 more r24rs.

[Morvran]

@An Pigeon

The DF skyflash were only good back when I first got the FGR2 then FG1 then something strange as hell went on and htey just didnt seem to want to go where the lock is.

Yeah, this is precisely what I mean, I think its something to do with PDV (we use to have PD at they worked fine with that, then we got swapped to PDV) , but im not sure. What I really need to do is use the FGR2/FG1 loads, get some good footage of it doing funky things, get some peer review of that footage and try and figure out why, if its incorrect, then do a detailed bug report. But given I dont like playing the FGR2/FG1, I have no motivation to do what would be quite an involved process.

They are fine though at 11.3, but god awful at 12.0 for RB

[S-H-E-R-R-Y]

Not historical I believe, the MTI just needs to see the ground to work, not have the aircraft itself point below horizon line

[An_Pigeon]

@markimash

It does get less radar missiles though. I am not a fan of the r60s but the radar it still better at low alt fighting than the f4e by a lot.

Thats due to the fact the F4E does not have an MTI or Pulse doppler mode.

The ML is the same as the MLD bar it has worse AoA (instantanious turning) as it doesnt have slats.

However, the F4E makes up for no PD radar by having the aim7E-2s and 4 x of them rather than 2 R24Rs.

The MLD being faced up against 12.3 and the 12.7s is absolutely cracked in ARB, you have to point at the ground to get the MTI mode to engage, that or the SRC (search) mode wont pick up a target, and even with thtat the radar is pretty weak and struggles to get a lock, once it has it though it doesnt tend to drop it, in MTI mode that is, In SRC mode its a garbage radar.

@markimash

The r24r is pretty good but the limit of 2 sucks. I would gladly lose the 4 r60s for 2 more r24rs.

The limit is due ot the air craft being limited to that IRL, the R60s are fine

Lets put it this way, ive had more gun kills in my MLD than I have R24R/T kills.

So yeah

[An_Pigeon]

on the oolder series migs I believe so however in the more modern mig23s I believe it was a selection thing, seen folks sharing docs on another post about it being recommended to be used at 1500 and below with ground htere.

That doesn’t state it had to fall into X catagories to work.

Its a bit shambolic at best though

[An_Pigeon]

@Morvran_

get some peer review of that footage and try and figure out why, if its incorrect, then do a detailed bug report. But given I dont like playing the FGR2/FG1, I have no motivation to do what would be quite an involved process.

For what its worth man, I dont think enough people care to put the effort in. Im at the point where Im aware that the thing is gonna be left as is and just need to cope with it D: xd

@Morvran_

They are fine though at 11.3, but god awful at 12.0 for RB

In ARB theyre difficult but its blessed by the fact theres a quantity of enemies, can just fly through a crowd shitting missiles out

[Morvran]

@An Pigeon

For what its worth man, I dont think enough people care to put the effort in. Im at the point where Im aware that the thing is gonna be left as is and just need to cope with it D: xd

The British weapons thread is pretty good for that, and people like Gunjob has looked at shots for me in the past. But I just cant be bothered to get the clips needed

[An_Pigeon]

Aye I know what you mean, but it is a shedload of stuff just to get a slight tweek

[Morvran]

Yeah, but at least if we have something to actually point to, it generally helps.

At the moment its a “we feel something isnt quite right with the Skyflash DFs” and most people respond with “skill issue”

Which really isnt helpful

[An_Pigeon]

@Morvran_

At the moment its a “we feel something isnt quite right with the Skyflash DFs” and most people respond with “skill issue”

Which really isnt helpful

The age old issue, but if there was an “issue” with the sparrow or god forbid the sidewinder the whole community would know about it man.

[Morvran]

Yeah…

[An_Pigeon]

Ill try compile videos if i can for the skyflash to see if it cant go somehere man worth a shot!

[Morvran]

yeah, would be interesting to see, Save the replays too, the sensor view is awesome for seeing exactly what happened

[An_Pigeon]

@Morvran_

eah, would be interesting to see, Save the replays too, the sensor view is awesome for seeing exactly what happened

Ill try man! trying to get myself a mig29 as well though so mixing up what im doing

[markimash]

@An Pigeon

The limit is due ot the air craft being limited to that IRL,

I know. I just dont like how short range they are.

@An Pigeon

Lets put it this way, ive had more gun kills in my MLD than I have R24R/T kills

Wild. R24r is probably at least half of mine.

@An Pigeon

SRC (search) mode wont pick up a target, and even with thtat the radar is pretty weak and struggles to get a lock, once it has it though it doesnt tend to drop it, in MTI mode that is, In SRC mode its a garbage radar

I just use the acm. It tends to lock things well regardless and i dont fire the r24r past 12km so the acm’s 10km range works well enough for me.

[An_Pigeon]

@markimash

Wild. R24r is probably at least half of mine.

cant do sht with it if you cant get a stable radar lock.

@markimash

I just use the acm. It tends to lock things well regardless and i dont fire the r24r past 12km so the acm’s 10km range works well enough for me.

Ill show you my last match, 3 kills, 4th dude a mig23ML flying directly towards me, 7km distance, at an upwards angle, my ACM wouldnt lock him, at all, nothing around him, no clutter, nada. Yet his R24 somehow manage to bypass the multipath and pull about 35G s in one go xD

the game definitely has RNG on the missiles it feels.

[Morvran]

R-24R are worth about 1.5 maybe 2x Skyflash DFs in my book. They are insanely good and the only way they are even slightly balanced below 12.0 is because of the poor radar and limited count