M-51’s HEAT is anti-everything shell. You pen every single tank you meet literally everywhere and you overpressure milk trucks and open tops. Tiger 2 can’t pen stuff like T26E5, T-32, IS-3 or IS-4 easily like M-51 can, but doesn’t even have to except for T26E5, because it’s at 6.0.
Comparing long 88 to AMX-30’s gun is pure copium of someone who hates that Germany has such a powerful gun and it’s historically accurate.
Saying that M-51 is one of the only tanks that can pen Tiger 2s frontally is also copium, as there is plenty of tanks with conventional ammo that can pen it. Tiger 2 has only flat 185mm on the turret. Russians have IS-2 and Su-100 for example, Americans have T-34 and Super Pershing. Even the British, which lack tanks at this BR in general, have a Comet and Centurion, they use APDS, but they actually did have it during WW2.
Russians when they captured Tiger 2 and tested it, said it was shit and IS-2 is better.
It is more mobile than a Tiger 2, which can be penned by M-51 everywhere.
It would not suffer at 8.0, it would be obsolete when compared to other tanks, but not unplayable. It would be a decent backup tank if it was in French tech tree.
Israeli tech tree doesn’t have many tanks at the start of their tech tree, but that shouldn’t be a problem for other nations, nor a factor in balancing. Their reserve tank is already at 6.0, I can’t see why it can’t be even higher, if it’s already so high. If anything it’s a problem for Gaijin that people can get quickly to top tier using Israel, not for players.
I’ve played many games with it and the post-pen damage is utterly terrible the armor is terrible and it has no stabilizing. The only way that you won’t pen it is if you can’t aim. It’s probably the only Israeli tank that is actually balanced
Live TAM reaction: (that thing can do BETTER than the M-51 in every regard yet it is at 8.7)
Almost every tank has a stabiliser in 8.0 and the M-51 lacks such an apparatus, so what if the M-51 user spots an enemy and only has a few seconds to react? Does it stop suddenly, waiting for the barrel to swing up and down until it reaches its target (on which by that time it’ll be dead)? Or does it sit in a hulldown behind a hill doing nothing knowing that Object 906s (an 8.0 tank with stabilisers btw) and such can cut its mantlet open with their 3BM25s?
I didn’t say it’s impossible to kill, I didn’t say that at all. I said it can’t pen it easily through the front plate or basically everywhere like M-51 can.
Leopard 1 doesn’t have a stabilizer at 8.0 and it’s a fantastic tank.
I played it too and can say that the post-pen damage is not terrible, it’s exactly what I expect from a shell that isn’t APHE. It can also overpressure light stuff.
You’re mad that the M-51 is better against vehicles with literally no armor than the Panther and Tiger II? The Panther actually has good armor, unlike the M-51.
And so therefore what? Everything else about the tank sucks. The post-pen damage on the M-51 is way less consistent. But I will grant you that the HEAT round is better in uptiers for the sake of argument. Doesn’t mean the tank should go up. There are plenty of vehicles with rounds which are workable in uptiers.
Confirming that you are just a wehraboo who thinks German vehicles ought to perform a certain way in the game regardless of balance. The AMX-30 is way better than the M-51. The cope is unreal.
Except I wasn’t just talking about Tiger IIs was I? Conveniently ignoring the Panther series of tanks which are much lower in BR. Move the Panthers up to 6.7 and then you would have a better argument to move the M-51 to 6.7. Plus, the Tiger II does nearly everything better than the M-51 and is one of the two best vehicles at 6.7.
LOL. They suck in comparison.
Should they go up in BR too? We wouldn’t want Germans to have competition…
LOL
Ah, so the soviet propaganda apparatus did its job? Also the meaning of “better” is questionable when you consider other factors like mechanical reliability.
Blud wants the M-51 at 8.0 where basically everything it fights has stabs and APFSDS with many having LRFs and tanks starting to develop armor that defeats chemical rounds ontop of being 3x more mobile than it.
Leopard 1, M60 and T-54 are the main tanks for Germany, USA and Russia at that BR, 3 biggest nations in the game.
That’s a problem with compression. 8.3 and 8.7 is no place for APFSDS, laser range finders and composite armor, when Maus or IS-4 is at 7.7.
Looks like German propaganda worked on you, if you think Tiger 2 is so good that it should fight cold war tanks with HEAT and even APFSDS at this point.
This whole conversation is pointless. It’s the same thing as saying that br should historical. Just because the m51 has a good shell doesn’t mean it should be facing Leo’s and m60’s. There are vehicles in much lower br’s that have heat-fs and no one is saying they shouldn go up in br to 8.0
It’s not a compression issue here; You’re just clinically insane with your take and salty that a Sherman can lolpen your HTs despite the fact that the rest of the tank sucks. I’m almost convinced you just have a hate-boner for Isreal.
You’re delusional. So by your logic in that sentence the Panzer IV E has to fight T-90Ms (hyperbole), simply because it has a HEAT shell and that shell is good at its BR.
Even in up tiers the maus is a beast. The 128mm is a good gun and it’s 75 is very useful. Br compression is a problem but it’s not as big as a problem as everyone makes it out to be.
Now I’m gonna blow your mind, Pt-76 should be 8.0 too, IKV 103 too and all the other crap. Stuff like Strv m/40l can stay or even go lower in BR, if they had APDS removed.
You all act as if historical accuracy being a factor automatically means Stuart vs Tiger. All I’m saying is that WW2 armor should not be compromised by cold war HEATs.
It’s called an exaggeration. I never meant to be serious with that take.
??? As GNDM said the M-51’s gun is good but that’s it. Armour’s bad (besides the mantlet) and same with the mobility. Even T-34s can slice through it’s armour out in the open.
